Quote Originally Posted by VanChilds View Post
Illegal war? Only someone who has never heard a shot fired in anger can say that with a straight face. Legality his hardly an issue when bullets are flying. The term is an oxymoron at its finest. I am sure if you really wanted to you could find some "legal" issue with taking the beach at Normandy. I am sure the poor German shmuck manning the bunker probably had a issue with it. Only a select foolish few will argue we had a "good" reason to invade Iraq, but the whole "illegal" term is just some liberal jargon. For anyone that is interested here is the thread
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...s-baghdad.html

Yall can take a look for yourself and see the hypocrisy that is Kirk.
The Iraq war was illegal according to the UN. On the eve of war even Bush admitted he didn't have the authority to invade, he just claimed he had the will, rather like a certain mid -twentieth century western European foreign country-invader who also used to spend a lot of time talking about the importance of will.


And as for hypocrisy, from the thread :

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Originally Posted by VanChilds
You didn't point out anything to me b/c I never said otherwise. I have never agreed with or supported the invasion or the nation building strategy. My posts support this. Why you continue to harp on it when we discuss Iraq is beyond me. Rationalizing one nations actions in the middle east by pointing the finger else where is not arguing a point its just that rationalizing. I am willing to say that my nation has been wrong more often then not in how they deal with the middle east you on the other hand seem to possess to much pride and ego.

So you agree that America didn't invade Iraq to bring them freedom and democracy. That just leaves the same reason the Brits originally went there. It looks like we both agree we went there to further control over the world's oil supply.

And I've already said that what Britain did was bad. What we're doing there now is also bad. I think Blair and other top British officials should be facing war crimes charges for invading. But letting the various groups war it out till they eventually stop fighting each other and come to some sort of settlement wasn't and isn't an option for any imperial power (which I think Britain and America effectively still are.) Certainly various American administrations including Bush 41 weren't in favour of letting Iraq split into constituent parts or even have a change of regime. So while it was and is the correct business/geopolitical/strategic decision, and while I've benefitted as a member of an imperial country from the policy, it isn't the moral or correct one.
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