Rocky Marciano: a schiester?

[JT Rock]

You mean overrated

Marciano was extremely fortunate to fight in the era he did, I cant fault him for it because he beat whomever they put in front of him but none the less extremely weak.. He had defenses against guys with horrible records.

Beat an old faded Louis, who would have cleaned him up in his prime.

Holyfield

Tyson

Ali

Holmes

Lewis

Frazier

Foreman

Norton

Jones jr

Both the Klitschkos

Would have destroyed him and I mean destroy

Jersey Joe almost beat him and he was an old old man. The jersey Joe that fought Louis would have beaten Marciano he was very very fortunate. What gets me is that people call mike Tyson overrated and say he came up in a weak division yet they say Marciano is the greatest heavyweight champ?

EErrragh!!

Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore

[JT Rock]

Would someone care to defend Marciano based on my list?

I mean really, people worship him but in essence how good was he and how would he matchup against a more skilled talent pool... I understand he had insane cardio and iron will, but he was slow and unrefined and would get crushed by most top 5 heavies dating back to the 70's.

I can even see a guy like Haye disposing of him.. How do you suppose he would fair against Dwight Muhhamed Qawi?

[holmcall]

Jersey Joe almost beat him and he was an old old man. The jersey Joe that fought Louis would have beaten Marciano he was very very fortunate. What gets me is that people call mike Tyson overrated and say he came up in a weak division yet they say Marciano is the greatest heavyweight champ?

EErrragh!!

Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

[JazMerkin]

EErrragh!!

Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

LaStarza beat him & was robbed because one of the most ridiculous rulings in the history of the sport, although I give him credit for the 2nd win though. Savold was about as shot as a fighter could be at that point. Vingo was little more than a young prospect who had been pro only 18 months or something when he faced Marciano & was overmatched. Layne was a credible win, however, in truth none of these guys were elite fighters. It's like claiming Tyson as the greatest & then using Pinklon Thomas & Carl Williams as evidence of his solid opposition

[JT Rock]

EErrragh!!

Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

No hostility, Marciano was overrated and a product of a weak era..

I named 8 heavyweight Champs past and present, excluding Liston who would have dismembered him that were better and would have moudered him

[holmcall]

Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

No hostility, Marciano was overrated and a product of a weak era..

I named 8 heavyweight Champs past and present, excluding Liston who would have dismembered him that were better and would have moudered him

[holmcall]

Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

No hostility, Marciano was overrated and a product of a weak era..

I named 8 heavyweight Champs past and present, excluding Liston who would have dismembered him that were better and would have moudered him

If you don't retract, I will forward your posts to Brockton, MA and then

[JT Rock]

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

No hostility, Marciano was overrated and a product of a weak era..

I named 8 heavyweight Champs past and present, excluding Liston who would have dismembered him that were better and would have moudered him

If you don't retract, I will forward your posts to Brockton, MA and then

Not really interested in that crap dude.. The facts are the facts. Out of that list name me one guy that Marciano could have beaten..

Even a 40 year old version of Foreman would have caved his face in

Like Lucifer the great said, his undefeated streak dosent impress me, because the opposition was extremely weak, if a champion defended against a guy with 40 losses you guys would be calling for his head.

Rocky isint even the best fighter to come out of Brockton.. Marvin Hagler has that distinction

[holmcall]

Read the posts above about generational prejudice and relativity. Of course a cruiser or light heavy could not beat a guy who out weighed him by 40 pounds of was 6'5''.

And btw, DUDE, I could care less what "crap" your are concerned with. I don't do hate; I do boxing.

[Stander]

EErrragh!!

Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

Plus ten!!! if he was a full sized heavy weight it would have been a completely different story. He should be compared to light heavies and cruisers as you said.

[JT Rock]

Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

Plus ten!!! if he was a full sized heavy weight it would have been a completely different story. He should be compared to light heavies and cruisers as you said.

Why people throw the word GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME around.. He wasnt, Ali, Louis, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson etc were all better

[Stander]

LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.

Plus ten!!! if he was a full sized heavy weight it would have been a completely different story. He should be compared to light heavies and cruisers as you said.

Why people throw the word GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME around.. He wasnt, Ali, Louis, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson etc were all better

well with Louis Marciano knocked him out. So even if they fought earlier Louis was out boxed by Billy conn and down against Jimmy Braddock. I think marciano had a punchers chance with him. I don't know if Louis belongs in that list. if the larry holmes of 1982 fought the Tyson of 1988 Holmes would be the victor. I'm not really sure who the greatest heavyweight of all time was. I think it is era relevant. Marciano was the greatest of his day no doubt. There is no bigger fan of the Cus d'amato school of boxing than me. However, Tyson was good when the guy was standing right in front of him and scared of him. Joe Frazier, that was a warrior. A prime George foreman with a 45 year old foremans heart was another guy that would be extremely hard to beat.

[holmcall]

Plus ten!!! if he was a full sized heavy weight it would have been a completely different story. He should be compared to light heavies and cruisers as you said.

Why people throw the word GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME around.. He wasnt, Ali, Louis, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson etc were all better

well with Louis Marciano knocked him out. So even if they fought earlier Louis was out boxed by Billy conn and down against Jimmy Braddock. I think marciano had a punchers chance with him. I don't know if Louis belongs in that list. if the larry holmes of 1982 fought the Tyson of 1988 Holmes would be the victor. I'm not really sure who the greatest heavyweight of all time was. I think it is era relevant. Marciano was the greatest of his day no doubt. There is no bigger fan of the Cus d'amato school of boxing than me. However, Tyson was good when the guy was standing right in front of him and scared of him. Joe Frazier, that was a warrior. A prime George foreman with a 45 year old foremans heart was another guy that would be extremely hard to beat.

I have started a new thread on this. See above