Who's higher P4P of all time

[DaxxKahn]

I go with

Hopkins- he has had such longevity..he made himself a legend with almost no amateur experience...at 45 he is still going strong....he has really only been soundly defeated once and thawas a pretty raw Hopkins versus a prime Jones who had tons of amateur experience

Jones- lived up to his amateur expectences...Was a phenom at smw...went from MW to HW winning championships.....What detrtacts is Jones spent a lot of time fighting second tier challengers and turned down his toughest challenges during his prime years

Calzaghe- Joe has all the goods for sure and in the last years of his career he turned me into a big fan but he allowed Warren to manage him too long and linger with second tier opp....

Though there is no question on the place all 3 belong....3 of the top P4P of all time

Hopkins claims to have won junior titles from the age of nine and had around 100 amateur fights before going into prison.

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

[Kev]

I go with

Hopkins- he has had such longevity..he made himself a legend with almost no amateur experience...at 45 he is still going strong....he has really only been soundly defeated once and thawas a pretty raw Hopkins versus a prime Jones who had tons of amateur experience

Jones- lived up to his amateur expectences...Was a phenom at smw...went from MW to HW winning championships.....What detrtacts is Jones spent a lot of time fighting second tier challengers and turned down his toughest challenges during his prime years

Calzaghe- Joe has all the goods for sure and in the last years of his career he turned me into a big fan but he allowed Warren to manage him too long and linger with second tier opp....

Though there is no question on the place all 3 belong....3 of the top P4P of all time

Hopkins claims to have won junior titles from the age of nine and had around 100 amateur fights before going into prison.

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

[BillyPilgrim]

Wasn't it reported that Jones failed drugs tests a few years back but it was kind of brushed under the carpet a bit.

I dunno if it was true, but if so, it tarnishes his achievements a bit for me.

[Rocky Balboa]

I agree with the OP except RJJ didn't beat prime B-hop. I believe he still would have though not as easily.

[DaxxKahn]

Hopkins claims to have won junior titles from the age of nine and had around 100 amateur fights before going into prison.

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

If he did it was news to me because I see zero proof of him ever having an amateur record...or at least one to brag about like that one...

Unless it nis fact I pay little attention to things like amateur claims....Unless a fighter goes national champ or in Olympics it is hard to know what they actually did or did not achieve

[Spicoli]

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

If he did it was news to me because I see zero proof of him ever having an amateur record...or at least one to brag about like that one...

Unless it nis fact I pay little attention to things like amateur claims....Unless a fighter goes national champ or in Olympics it is hard to know what they actually did or did not achieve

Ditto.Must have missed that.I dont recall it,dont strike me as the sort to harking back to his Ama days in the ring Running through early interviews and have zilch

Jeezuss,You want pause?Compare two pics of early Hopkins and todays and that grill of his.WooooowMade some dentist very wealthy.

[C-Lo]

I'm going with:

1) B-hop
2) RJJ
3) Calzaghe

Hopkins has the bigger names and the better career than the other two and it's still not over. RJJ lacks the names Hopkins has but not the skill. Calzaghe also lacks the names, and his win over Hopkins is disputed while Jones was really nowhere near prime form. All are great fighters but I'm just trying to show why I'm placing them where I did.

[OumaFan]

Hopkins
Roy
Calzaghe

I'd probably put Bernard top 30 all time, somewhere around that. Not sure where I'd put Roy or Calzaghe, they're definitely on the list somewhere obviously.

[DAWGSWIN]

1. RJJ
2. Joe
3. BHop

This is harder than I thought it would be. RJ had a win over Hop early, and Joe had one late. The problem is that its hard to define Hopkins' "Prime." He has fought and won at a high level since his loss to JC. I think RJ is a little easier to graph, as far as when he declined significantly. You just can't discount that JC win over Hopkins either. I don't know, I'm not at all a fan of JC, but I could make an argument to put him at 1.

[Fenster]

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

If he did it was news to me because I see zero proof of him ever having an amateur record...or at least one to brag about like that one...

Unless it nis fact I pay little attention to things like amateur claims....Unless a fighter goes national champ or in Olympics it is hard to know what they actually did or did not achieve

In this interview he says he started boxing at seven and won his first title at nine.

Age started boxing: I started at seven as a youth. Then I went to Graterford (prison) for five years and I picked it back up in there. But (I started) as a pro in ‘88. So I started at seven.

Early Boxing Memory: Winning Pennsylvania Junior Olympics when I was nine. Won a trophy which had to be two-feet tall! When I won that I was the baby in the gym. We had guys like Robert Hines. I got my butt kicked 95% of the time in the gym by guys who were bigger and older than me. But I was too advanced for my level. I beat a guy named ‘Bunchie’ Williams, a good, good amateur who went 12-1 as a pro but then I think drugs got him.
Bernard Hopkins | BoxingInsider.com

In prison he won the national penitentiary middleweight championship three times.

I'm not sure about his exact amateur record. Ive seen it reported at 95-4 too, but whatever it was Hopkins was clearly well versed in boxing before turning pro.

[DaxxKahn]

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

If he did it was news to me because I see zero proof of him ever having an amateur record...or at least one to brag about like that one...

Unless it nis fact I pay little attention to things like amateur claims....Unless a fighter goes national champ or in Olympics it is hard to know what they actually did or did not achieve

In this interview he says he started boxing at seven and won his first title at nine.

Age started boxing: I started at seven as a youth. Then I went to Graterford (prison) for five years and I picked it back up in there. But (I started) as a pro in ‘88. So I started at seven.

Early Boxing Memory: Winning Pennsylvania Junior Olympics when I was nine. Won a trophy which had to be two-feet tall! When I won that I was the baby in the gym. We had guys like Robert Hines. I got my butt kicked 95% of the time in the gym by guys who were bigger and older than me. But I was too advanced for my level. I beat a guy named ‘Bunchie’ Williams, a good, good amateur who went 12-1 as a pro but then I think drugs got him.
Bernard Hopkins | BoxingInsider.com

In prison he won the national penitentiary middleweight championship three times.

I'm not sure about his exact amateur record. Ive seen it reported at 95-4 too, but whatever it was Hopkins was clearly well versed in boxing before turning pro.

Hmm...Gotta say mate first I ever heard of him having such a record....I am taking it that he fought a bunch of local amatur shows and such..nothing on a USA, Ringside tourney level etc....

Thanks for the link to the article

[Truth]

Even if you believe a supplement caused the test, explain how you put on 30 lbs in 4 mnths and retain your speed and conditioning naturally.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Even if you believe a supplement caused the test, explain how you put on 30 lbs in 4 mnths and retain your speed and conditioning naturally.

it actually was six months...and when you're a professional athlete who has nothing else to worry about except working out two to three times a day that's nothing. Not to mention jones went from 174 to 193...that's 19 pounds in six months. I once gained six pounds of muscle in one month with a job and no supplements just working out twice a day. So its easy when that's all you have to do with your time. Not to mention earning 10million

[Spicoli]

Even if you believe a supplement caused the test, explain how you put on 30 lbs in 4 mnths and retain your speed and conditioning naturally.

Michael Moorer?Pretty sure he had a regiment of corn dogs and grits going though.