Froch is the favourite for Super Six Tournament

[BIG H]

Carl Froch7/4
Mikkel Kessler11/4
Arthur Abraham7/2
Jermain Taylor5/1
Andre Ward10/1
Andre Dirrell14/1


I think Taylor is the only one that CAN'T win it!!

[Fenster]

Those odds haven't changed a jot since they were put up weeks ago (no money for it). They are with Hills.

Some of the other firms have Kessler favourite, Kessler/Froch joint fav.

I'd want 14/1 that this thing goes as planned. No chance.

[Bomp]

Those odds haven't changed a jot since they were put up weeks ago (no money for it). They are with Hills.

Some of the other firms have Kessler favourite, Kessler/Froch joint fav.

I'd want 14/1 that this thing goes as planned. No chance.

Partly why Froch may be above Kessler on some, as he's the most likely to be yanked out by legal shite.

[Fenster]

Those odds haven't changed a jot since they were put up weeks ago (no money for it). They are with Hills.

Some of the other firms have Kessler favourite, Kessler/Froch joint fav.

I'd want 14/1 that this thing goes as planned. No chance.

Partly why Froch may be above Kessler on some, as he's the most likely to be yanked out by legal shite.

Yeah there must be a great chance this thing doesn't get close to being completed.

But Froch is the favourite because he's the Brit (with a Brit bookie pricing it up), so will obviously attract the patriotic (mug) money, making him a loser for the bookies.

Dirrell has to be worth a bet at 14/1 purely because should he beat Froch his price will tumble big time, not just in the outright market but also in his next matches.

I am a shit gambler. Fact.

[RP33]

Carl Froch7/4
Mikkel Kessler11/4
Arthur Abraham7/2
Jermain Taylor5/1
Andre Ward10/1
Andre Dirrell14/1


I think Taylor is the only one that CAN'T win it!!

Taylor had Froch (the favorite) BEAT if he lasted another 12 seconds.. how can you say he "CAN'T" win it? Seems crazy to me.

TBH i see Kessler and Abraham as the favorites. I don't see Froch beating Kess and i think Abraham has a safer style for the rest of the fighters. Abraham Froch would be a HELL of a fight.

[Kev]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

[CFH]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

[Kev]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

Taylor was one fight removed p4p hardly far far removed. He's still a world class force and better than any other fighter that any of these guys have beat.

Who of the guys the others have beat would you rate above him?

Miranda?
Mundine?
Beyer?

The only other guy who has beaten fighters of real pedigree is Taylor, and Froch knocked him out.


As for Abraham schooling Miranda firstly I'm talking about both bouts. Ward handled him easily first time around, whereas Abraham went life and death in the first fight.

Secondly Abraham didn't school Miranda for the entirety of the second fight, you could make a case that Edison won all the first three rounds as Abraham started with his typically cagey slow opening style.

Once he had him hurt he took him apart for sure but he wasn't outboxing Miranda up to that point, far from it.

Ward is a better boxer than Abraham, but with considerably less power. When these two meet it will be exciting. If Ward can take Abraham's power he outworks him and wins a decision imo.

If not, then Abraham either finishes him or puts him in survival mode enough to win a UD.

[CFH]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

Taylor was one fight removed p4p hardly far far removed. He's still a world class force and better than any other fighter that any of these guys have beat.

Who of the guys the others have beat would you rate above him?

Miranda?
Mundine?
Beyer?

The only other guy who has beaten fighters of real pedigree is Taylor, and Froch knocked him out.


As for Abraham schooling Miranda firstly I'm talking about both bouts. Ward handled him easily first time around, whereas Abraham went life and death in the first fight.

Secondly Abraham didn't school Miranda for the entirety of the second fight, you could make a case that Edison won all the first three rounds as Abraham started with his typically cagey slow opening style.

Once he had him hurt he took him apart for sure but he wasn't outboxing Miranda up to that point, far from it.

Ward is a better boxer than Abraham, but with considerably less power. When these two meet it will be exciting. If Ward can take Abraham's power he outworks him and wins a decision imo.

If not, then Abraham either finishes him or puts him in survival mode enough to win a UD.

Taylor was more than once fight removed from P4P status. More than a few lists I saw dropped him from their top 10 after the Spinks fight. Regardless of when he was dropped, he hasn't been considered a top 10 P4P fighter since 2007.

Re: Miranda

The first fight between Abraham and Miranda was close (made much close because of the broken jaw IMO), but at that point Miranda was a completely unknown entity and a much better opponent as a result of that. Miranda made his name on that first fight. As soon as Pavlik, and later Abraham, beat him the mystique had been undone. Even following the Pavlik loss, many people (perhaps a majority) were picking him to beat Abraham in the rematch. Abraham travelled to his backyard, and yes took him to school. Abraham did little offensively for the first three rounds, but even with him in full on defensive mode Miranda didn't land a single clean punch the entire fight. As soon as he started opening up in round 4, Abraham countered him and knocked him out. He was comprehensively outboxed and outthought the entire fight. By the time Ward fought him, he was a badly exposed fighter who no longer was able to intimidate his opponents. Not to take anything away from Ward - it was a solid, well-fought victory, but in my mind it was far less impressive than the two Abraham victories.

[leftylee]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

I gave Miranda the first 3 rounds of the second fight. No way was Abraham winning after 3.

[CFH]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

I gave Miranda the first 3 rounds of the second fight. No way was Abraham winning after 3.

Abraham may not have been winning at the point, because he had done nothing offensively, but that doesn't mean he wasn't making Miranda do exactly what he wanted him to do. Miranda couldn't penetrate his defense at all, was made to do exactly what Abraham wanted him to do, and got knocked out the instant Abraham started to punch. I would consider that a schooling.

[BIG H]

Carl Froch7/4
Mikkel Kessler11/4
Arthur Abraham7/2
Jermain Taylor5/1
Andre Ward10/1
Andre Dirrell14/1


I think Taylor is the only one that CAN'T win it!!

Taylor had Froch (the favorite) BEAT if he lasted another 12 seconds.. how can you say he "CAN'T" win it? Seems crazy to me.

TBH i see Kessler and Abraham as the favorites. I don't see Froch beating Kess and i think Abraham has a safer style for the rest of the fighters. Abraham Froch would be a HELL of a fight.

Well if Taylor hd've lasted 12 more seconds (which is completely irrelevant coz he didn't and he got KTFO) I would've given a 10-7 round to Froch and scored it a draw

[RP33]

Carl Froch7/4
Mikkel Kessler11/4
Arthur Abraham7/2
Jermain Taylor5/1
Andre Ward10/1
Andre Dirrell14/1


I think Taylor is the only one that CAN'T win it!!

Taylor had Froch (the favorite) BEAT if he lasted another 12 seconds.. how can you say he "CAN'T" win it? Seems crazy to me.

TBH i see Kessler and Abraham as the favorites. I don't see Froch beating Kess and i think Abraham has a safer style for the rest of the fighters. Abraham Froch would be a HELL of a fight.

Well if Taylor hd've lasted 12 more seconds (which is completely irrelevant coz he didn't and he got KTFO) I would've given a 10-7 round to Froch and scored it a draw

actually what is "completely irrelevant" is the fact that he got KO'd.. Also what is irrelevant is your scorecard.

what IS relevant is that Taylor would have won on the score cards if he didn't get KO'd. This isn't about the outcome of the fight, it's about the actual fight. I don't care who actually won, but i'm using this fight as a reference to the upcoming fights, and if Froch is the favorite, then i don't see how Taylor, who took him to the last round, winning on the cards, "CAN'T" win the tournament. It's actually a ludicrous statement.

[BIG H]

Taylor had Froch (the favorite) BEAT if he lasted another 12 seconds.. how can you say he "CAN'T" win it? Seems crazy to me.

TBH i see Kessler and Abraham as the favorites. I don't see Froch beating Kess and i think Abraham has a safer style for the rest of the fighters. Abraham Froch would be a HELL of a fight.

Well if Taylor hd've lasted 12 more seconds (which is completely irrelevant coz he didn't and he got KTFO) I would've given a 10-7 round to Froch and scored it a draw

actually what is "completely irrelevant" is the fact that he got KO'd.. Also what is irrelevant is your scorecard.

what IS relevant is that Taylor would have won on the score cards if he didn't get KO'd. This isn't about the outcome of the fight, it's about the actual fight. I don't care who actually won, but i'm using this fight as a reference to the upcoming fights, and if Froch is the favorite, then i don't see how Taylor, who took him to the last round, winning on the cards, "CAN'T" win the tournament. It's actually a ludicrous statement.

I didn't say "he can't win" I said..........

"I think Taylor is the only one that CAN'T win it!!

It is a an opinion

[BIG H]

Saying that it is irrelevant that he got KTFO, now that really is a ludicrous statement