Froch is the favourite for Super Six Tournament

[Kev]

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

Taylor was one fight removed p4p hardly far far removed. He's still a world class force and better than any other fighter that any of these guys have beat.

Who of the guys the others have beat would you rate above him?

Miranda?
Mundine?
Beyer?

The only other guy who has beaten fighters of real pedigree is Taylor, and Froch knocked him out.


As for Abraham schooling Miranda firstly I'm talking about both bouts. Ward handled him easily first time around, whereas Abraham went life and death in the first fight.

Secondly Abraham didn't school Miranda for the entirety of the second fight, you could make a case that Edison won all the first three rounds as Abraham started with his typically cagey slow opening style.

Once he had him hurt he took him apart for sure but he wasn't outboxing Miranda up to that point, far from it.

Ward is a better boxer than Abraham, but with considerably less power. When these two meet it will be exciting. If Ward can take Abraham's power he outworks him and wins a decision imo.

If not, then Abraham either finishes him or puts him in survival mode enough to win a UD.

Taylor was more than once fight removed from P4P status. More than a few lists I saw dropped him from their top 10 after the Spinks fight. Regardless of when he was dropped, he hasn't been considered a top 10 P4P fighter since 2007.

Re: Miranda

The first fight between Abraham and Miranda was close (made much close because of the broken jaw IMO), but at that point Miranda was a completely unknown entity and a much better opponent as a result of that. Miranda made his name on that first fight. As soon as Pavlik, and later Abraham, beat him the mystique had been undone. Even following the Pavlik loss, many people (perhaps a majority) were picking him to beat Abraham in the rematch. Abraham travelled to his backyard, and yes took him to school. Abraham did little offensively for the first three rounds, but even with him in full on defensive mode Miranda didn't land a single clean punch the entire fight. As soon as he started opening up in round 4, Abraham countered him and knocked him out. He was comprehensively outboxed and outthought the entire fight. By the time Ward fought him, he was a badly exposed fighter who no longer was able to intimidate his opponents. Not to take anything away from Ward - it was a solid, well-fought victory, but in my mind it was far less impressive than the two Abraham victories.

You neatly sidestepped my first question.

Who better than Taylor have ANY of the other guys beaten?

If you want to insist he hasn't been p4p for the last two years, name a single opponent any of the other guys has beat who has EVER been in the p4p?

None of the other guys Froch and Taylor withstanding, have beaten a p4p fighter, either p4p present or p4p at any time in their careers. My point still stands.

If you disagree then point out which opponents on the resume's of Ward, Dirrel, Abraham and Kessler is a better win then KO'ing Jermain Taylor?