Froch is the favourite for Super Six Tournament

[Kev]

I just can't see how a guy who was beaten from pillar to post for much of an entire fight be the favorite. Froch is tough but he is glorified amatuer fighter. I think he could possibly loose to everyone he fight's in this tournament to be honest. Depending on Dirrell's and Ward's chin. I think another run at JT he will lose also Kessler and AA.

It was really only the first four rounds of his fight with Taylor that he got outclassed, after that it was a dead even fight as evidenced by RP33's statement that going into the final round he trailed by 4 points on 2 cards and was ahead on the other.

Take away rounds 1-4 and he was equal to Taylor over the rest of the fight.

He was slow to adapt, he'd never been in with anyone as fast or slick as Taylor and Taylor was in awesome form offensively in that fight.

Remember even Calzaghe was floored by both Hopkins and Jones in his big American fights, Hatton has been spectacularly KO'd embarassingly when he stepped up to the highest level on the American stage, Lewis twice got sparked, David Haye had to pick himself up off the floor to beat Mormeck in his home country.

What I'm saying is that stepping up in class, travelling to a foreign country isn't easy. Many collapse under the bright lights, but Froch despite clearly being out of his depth early was able to muster the will and the self belief to get himself back into the fight. That is what being a world champion is all about, Kessler couldn't do it against Joe, he faded down the stretch as Joe increasingly exerted his will on him.

Froch has beaten, not one, but two world champion calibre fighters back to back. He absolutely deserves to be considered one of the favourites going in.

Yes he can be outboxed and hit, but we know two things about Froch that we don't know about most of the others, firstly, he has an iron will, unshakeble self belief even under the most intense pressure, and a tremendous ability to withstand punishment, secondly we know he has the power, and the finishing skills to end any fight he is in, even against world championship calibre fighters.

We don't know any of these traits with the two Andre's yet, Taylor has big question marks, and Abraham hasn't got a win on his record bigger than either Pascal or Jermain Taylor, and he's never fought a genuine super middleweight.

Only Kessler really has proven credentials at this weight, a bona fida double world champion and so justifiably imo Kessler and Froch start favourites.

[OumaFan]

Neither Froch or Taylor are winning this thing. Carry on.

I don't think

And ffs it pains me to even come close to defending somebody who regularly says something as stupid as "I'm going to smoke his boots" but Froch's win wasn't lucky and he wasn't getting beaten pillar to post. He was behind in rounds but Taylor was wilting under his pressure and there's no such thing as a lucky KO if a guy has gradually deteriorated because pressure bothers him.

[amat]

Yeah but that 12th round did come a bit out of nowhere imo, at least it id the only time I watched the fight. I have never been impressed with Froch and frankly, I don't think there is any way Froch wins. Taylor won't win either imo but could have more success as apparently he drew Abraham and Ward.

Taylor could beat Abraham and Froch could beat Dirrell. I don't think Froch beats Direll and I bet afrter that fight, all the people who have Froch at no. 1 or 2 on their list will have Dirrell at 1 or 2. Bilbo would pretty much be obligated to have him there. Taylor has a great shot at beating Abraham imo just on activity. I agree with Bilbo in Abraham being the guy who's definietly set up to be the biggest disappointment of the Super 6.

[Snakefist Ar Fu]

I just can't see how a guy who was beaten from pillar to post for much of an entire fight be the favorite. Froch is tough but he is glorified amatuer fighter. I think he could possibly loose to everyone he fight's in this tournament to be honest. Depending on Dirrell's and Ward's chin. I think another run at JT he will lose also Kessler and AA.

It was really only the first four rounds of his fight with Taylor that he got outclassed, after that it was a dead even fight as evidenced by RP33's statement that going into the final round he trailed by 4 points on 2 cards and was ahead on the other.

Take away rounds 1-4 and he was equal to Taylor over the rest of the fight.

He was slow to adapt, he'd never been in with anyone as fast or slick as Taylor and Taylor was in awesome form offensively in that fight.

Remember even Calzaghe was floored by both Hopkins and Jones in his big American fights, Hatton has been spectacularly KO'd embarassingly when he stepped up to the highest level on the American stage, Lewis twice got sparked, David Haye had to pick himself up off the floor to beat Mormeck in his home country.

What I'm saying is that stepping up in class, travelling to a foreign country isn't easy. Many collapse under the bright lights, but Froch despite clearly being out of his depth early was able to muster the will and the self belief to get himself back into the fight. That is what being a world champion is all about, Kessler couldn't do it against Joe, he faded down the stretch as Joe increasingly exerted his will on him.

Froch has beaten, not one, but two world champion calibre fighters back to back. He absolutely deserves to be considered one of the favourites going in.

Yes he can be outboxed and hit, but we know two things about Froch that we don't know about most of the others, firstly, he has an iron will, unshakeble self belief even under the most intense pressure, and a tremendous ability to withstand punishment, secondly we know he has the power, and the finishing skills to end any fight he is in, even against world championship calibre fighters.

We don't know any of these traits with the two Andre's yet, Taylor has big question marks, and Abraham hasn't got a win on his record bigger than either Pascal or Jermain Taylor, and he's never fought a genuine super middleweight.

Only Kessler really has proven credentials at this weight, a bona fida double world champion and so justifiably imo Kessler and Froch start favourites.

If I was going to choose a favourite, it would be Kessler. I am a Froch fan but in his last two fights he has come out slower than usual. I think its down to nerves. A title fight and then a defence of a title against someone like Jermain Taylor.

His next fight against Dirrell may be dangerous for him. A young slick fit undefeted fighter. If Froch fights like his last two fights (starting off too slow) I think he will loose on points.

I believe the best fights will be between Froch, Abraham and Kessler. Kessler may be the only one out of the three to loose a fight but that was to Calzaghe. I dont think Froch or Abraham would have a chance against Calzaghe.

[Kev]

I just can't see how a guy who was beaten from pillar to post for much of an entire fight be the favorite. Froch is tough but he is glorified amatuer fighter. I think he could possibly loose to everyone he fight's in this tournament to be honest. Depending on Dirrell's and Ward's chin. I think another run at JT he will lose also Kessler and AA.

It was really only the first four rounds of his fight with Taylor that he got outclassed, after that it was a dead even fight as evidenced by RP33's statement that going into the final round he trailed by 4 points on 2 cards and was ahead on the other.

Take away rounds 1-4 and he was equal to Taylor over the rest of the fight.

He was slow to adapt, he'd never been in with anyone as fast or slick as Taylor and Taylor was in awesome form offensively in that fight.

Remember even Calzaghe was floored by both Hopkins and Jones in his big American fights, Hatton has been spectacularly KO'd embarassingly when he stepped up to the highest level on the American stage, Lewis twice got sparked, David Haye had to pick himself up off the floor to beat Mormeck in his home country.

What I'm saying is that stepping up in class, travelling to a foreign country isn't easy. Many collapse under the bright lights, but Froch despite clearly being out of his depth early was able to muster the will and the self belief to get himself back into the fight. That is what being a world champion is all about, Kessler couldn't do it against Joe, he faded down the stretch as Joe increasingly exerted his will on him.

Froch has beaten, not one, but two world champion calibre fighters back to back. He absolutely deserves to be considered one of the favourites going in.

Yes he can be outboxed and hit, but we know two things about Froch that we don't know about most of the others, firstly, he has an iron will, unshakeble self belief even under the most intense pressure, and a tremendous ability to withstand punishment, secondly we know he has the power, and the finishing skills to end any fight he is in, even against world championship calibre fighters.

We don't know any of these traits with the two Andre's yet, Taylor has big question marks, and Abraham hasn't got a win on his record bigger than either Pascal or Jermain Taylor, and he's never fought a genuine super middleweight.

Only Kessler really has proven credentials at this weight, a bona fida double world champion and so justifiably imo Kessler and Froch start favourites.

If I was going to choose a favourite, it would be Kessler. I am a Froch fan but in his last two fights he has come out slower than usual. I think its down to nerves. A title fight and then a defence of a title against someone like Jermain Taylor.

His next fight against Dirrell may be dangerous for him. A young slick fit undefeted fighter. If Froch fights like his last two fights (starting off too slow) I think he will loose on points.

I believe the best fights will be between Froch, Abraham and Kessler. Kessler may be the only one out of the three to loose a fight but that was to Calzaghe. I dont think Froch or Abraham would have a chance against Calzaghe.

Yeah me too, if I had to pick anyone I'd go with Kessler, I mean he's the one guy you know will do well, even if he doesn't win it.

The other guys we don't really know.

Froch, has the power and the proven ability to win at this level, but is wide open and could easily get caught cold or outboxed.

Abraha, never fought at this weight, never fought at this level. Miranda aside there are no impressive names on his resume. Starts slow and relies on being more powerful than his opposition. I wouldn't count on the likes of Froch, Kessler, Ward etc to wilt under his late round pressure like the largely Eastern European club fighters he's been beating. If they don't he could easily get outpointed. I think he has stamina issues as well, not in a Taylor way, but more in an Oscar way. I can see him fading late on in fights against some of these guys.

Taylor, tremendous skill but could be one punch away from oblivion.

Ward, looked great in beating Miranda, although seems to have no pop, we don't know how he will cope in this class though.

Dirrell, very likeable and confident guy, has the charisma to be a star, but a complete unknown quantity. He may turn out to be great, in which case he could win it all, but at the same time his chin may get exposed, he may have a heart like Victor Ortiz etc, we simply don't know at this juncture.


So there we have it, all of them could potentially win the whole thing imo, but equally Kessler aside, any of the other five could all fall completely flat and be outclassed here.

Kessler I think everyone agrees will likely be there or thereabouts so is the best bet.