Why Marvin Hagler Is The Best Middleweight Of All Time.

[MJay]

As one who grew up in Brockton, MA and followed Marvin (and even stood next to him a few times) It would be hard to not consider him as one of, if not the greatest middleweight of all times.

No one had a better chin than Marvin. You can talk punching power all you want but when you are Tommy Hearns and you're fighting Marvin and land your best punch and Mr Hagler doesn't even flinch you have problems. Also Marvin knocked out more opponents with short punches than any fighter I've witnessed. He did not need the big Michael Spinx punch that started from 3 feet behind his head to do damage. Marvin could take you out with something resembling a jab.

Marvin's worst fights were against Duran and Leonard. Don't know what as up with Duran as Marvin should have quickly wiped the floor with him but I guess in the end Roberto's rings savy and defensive abilities gave Hagler problems. Leonard I have less respect for. He ducked Marvin and waited for age and loss of speed to kick in. Even then Sugar Ray's victory, if you can call it that was not impressive at all. He ran and ran. Winners don't run. I do believe that Marvin made a tactical error when fighting Leonard. Simply put he tried to be cute like Sugar Ray and prove he could fight that style. Marvin needed to cut that ring off and get down and dirty inside where he was most effective and in the end Hagler failed to do that. When you fight the media darling (Leonard) you need to take their head off for a win.

[Kev]

Ah yes, the infamous Haglergate, which was soon to be followed by the even bigger chessgate, the resulting fallout of which led to Ice being made a pariah here on Saddo's and forced to flee the internet for a time and lay his head low in hiding until the resulting disqiuet and unrest had dissipated.

But he was not beaten, in fact he came back stronger than ever, a prodigy and junior chess grandmaster no less, a father, a (soon to be) husband, a promising amatuer boxer en route for London 2012 and an allround top human being.

[kingfrnk]

Bilbo you are just fukkin sad that you still bring that shit up. Nobody gives a damn that Ice beat your ass in chess get over it.

[Kev]

Bilbo you are just fukkin sad that you still bring that shit up. Nobody gives a damn that Ice beat your ass in chess get over it.

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

[kingfrnk]

Bilbo you are just fukkin sad that you still bring that shit up. Nobody gives a damn that Ice beat your ass in chess get over it.

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

[Kev]

Bilbo you are just fukkin sad that you still bring that shit up. Nobody gives a damn that Ice beat your ass in chess get over it.

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

[ryanman]

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

I agree with you here Bilbo, when i used to come on here a lot a couple of years ago, he was always tripping himself up. But he does put effort in to helping people out with stats and info and the like

[ICB]

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

I have never ever said i lost my first Amateur bout, that was something Memphis thought i said. But he was mistaken so get your facts straight, i've already explained to you about the chess thing.

In the other thread and if you think i cheated, why don't you play me at Kurnik ? you can't cheat there. Because your name flashes when you open up another window.

I won 2-1 i lost a game so how the hell was i cheating ? i offered CGM blitz games or games at Kurnik. But he wanted to leave it, which was fair enough.

If you want to bring this up constantly, because it seems to bother you so much. Go right ahead but its make you look petty, and your the one that said i constantly disagree with you ?

Secondly i never tried to say this was my own work, and i explained why i couldn't put a link. And thats because it was from another boxing site, and i cannot mention that boxing site, because Saddo's doesn't allow me to do it.

I didn't realize it was an article, from the site BIG H posted. I personally got it from another forum, and i was impressed with it. So i put it up here i should have mentioned the guys screen name.

But i didn't so that was me making a mistake, but when i have done articles myself. I have always said its me, like my Charles Burley was one was me, and in the thread title i said it was me.

So don't try and make out i post articles, and try and take credit for other peoples work. Because i can do my own articles, i've done one on Nigel Benn, Floyd Mayweather, Charles Burley. Im not petty that i take credit for other peoples work.

The reason i didn't reply to this thread straight away, is because as you said i was inactive. And not due to anything happening on here, because that doesn't bother me at all. Because i had personal things to deal with.

Lastly it amuses you ? what exactly amuses you ? you've been on my case for the last two weeks. Your the one actually amusing me, because your making such a fuss over nothing.

[ryanman]

Bilbo you are just fukkin sad that you still bring that shit up. Nobody gives a damn that Ice beat your ass in chess get over it.

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

I'm interested. I give a damn about this chess game. I want to know!

[ICB]

Bilbo you are just fukkin sad that you still bring that shit up. Nobody gives a damn that Ice beat your ass in chess get over it.

Don't worry about bro, just keep out of it so you don't get dragged into it. I beat Bilbo at Checkers not Chess, i beat CGM 2-1 in Chess. And to all the people that doubted me, i offered CGM blitz games or games at Kurnik where you cannot cheat.

But he didn't want to know, he wanted to leave it. Which is fine because frankly its ridiculous to argue over anyway. Especially when it has nothing to do with Bilbo anyway. And it was CGM i played, and Bilbo is making more fuss over it than CGM.

And if CGM has any doubts, he can speak to me about it anytime in a PM. And we can arrange some games anytime, im not really bothered. The thing i can understand Bilbo is probably little annoyed at.

Is because i didn't tell the truth about how much experience, i had which is fine. But i also explained this many times, and thats because otherwise i didn't think anyone would want to play.

The fact is im not expert at chess, i know some openings. And i can see ahead quite well, but im not that good. Im alot better at checkers or i was anyway, but obviously checkers is much more simple than chess.