Felix "Tito" Trinidad the last real dominant WW Champ...

[Puya]

[B]Felix "Tito" Trinidad the last real dominant WW Champ...


Before Tito we had some great champs and great matches but when the Tito era came he beat all champs and all comers. HE had incredible Power and incredible Stamina I mean every punch he threw was with conviction even his jab had power behind it for all 12 rounds.

Since Tito we haven't seen any real dominant WW to be proclaimed the man at 147lbs.

This are the actual prospects to be called the man.

Cotto : He was on his way to be the man if he had not loose to Margo (for me he cheated) but still there was P. Williams in the horizon (It would have been a great match)

Mosley: While he gave Margo the beating of his life Cotto still has a win over him convincingly for about 3 rounds in my score cards among others.

MArgo: We all know his story but still if he wouldn't been caught cheating who knows what he could have done to Shane Mosley but still he has a convincingly L against P. Williams.

P.Williams: While he was a very avoided WW he has a very convincingly L vs Quintana who was destroyed by Cotto. P. Williams re match Quintana and in a very competitive first round Williams caught Quintana and end it but in a bad night everything can happen going both ways for Quintana and P.Williams meaning fight 1 and 2.

Mayweather: Fast up and comer from a div he was the man and the undisputed champ. His first fight at 140 was Henry Bruseles (check him before and after Floyd fight in boxrec) his second fight was a very weight drain and Down hill and RIP Arturo Gatti which he KO's quite easy like a champ should do. So thinking he was the man at 140 leaving Cotto and Hatton goes to 147 to fight Sharamba Mitchel (Way past his Prime) goes and fight the Baldi a guy we all know he ain't shit and box his ass of like it was suppose to happen then fights Judah which I respect him for taking that fight and like it some here said he won but struggle to get that win and to top it off he was Knock Down legitimately but the ref did not counted. Goes and fights Oscar at 154 another fight I respect him to take and win a very close fight with a bit faded Oscar in a bore fest but it is still was a good win to rise his name more in the boxing world setting up fights with the real threads at WW which where Mosley, Cotto and Margo. While all the hype is make and we where all boxing fans sight to see Floyd vs the real top guys at WW and we where all thinking who will be next; Floyd goes and fight the 140 champ(Hatton) at 147, a weight that the 140 champ struggle with Collazo a guy Mosley toyed ala Cotto vs Gomez. But it was evident it was for $$$$ I mean who would say not to that right? maybe in his next fight. Floyd then Stops HAtton and and we boxing fans where hoping to see Floyd vs the Winner of Cotto and Mosley what he does he said **** THAT SHIT and retire his ass leaving me and all boxing fans and his fans frustrated since he talked all that shit about I will beat anybody and this was and tat way and did not walk the walk. etc got tire of typing.

Andre Berto: Good kid fast and strong but lacks of concentration and defense he had a very difficult time with Collazo and in my eyes and others he still got a lot to proved to belong to the elite.

Manny Pac:[/B Coming from an impressive win over HAtton at 140 and already had a fight vs past his prime and we can agree he was very weight drained OScar De La Hoya at 147 he now calls out Miguel Cotto at a catch weight of 145 lbs to even things up like they said but still want the hard earn and defended Tittle Cotto earned weighting having the option to weight 147 lbs (WW rules max weight) but still Cotto weighted 146 in his last fight leaving space to shed one more pound to fight PAC. Still PAc and his crew (ROach) wanted for Cotto to go as low as 143. (So why the hell you called him out?) If Pac wins over Cotto he still has to fight Mosley of Floyd without any catch weight crap if he wants to belong at the WW elite group but we all know he just wants to win the 7 weight Div belt and if he wins vs Cotto he will ask Floyd, Marquez or Mosley to again to fight him at a catch weight as well.


To stay on the topic we still haven't see a true dominant WW since Felix Trinidad. Who could of those or up and comer be the new dominant WW CHAMP that take all fighters like Tito did.

Excuse my typing errors!!!!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

[b]Felix "Tito" Trinidad the last real dominant WW Champ...


Before Tito we had some great champs and great matches but when the Tito era came he beat all champs and all comers. HE had incredible Power and incredible Stamina I mean every punch he threw was with conviction even his jab had power behind it for all 12 rounds.

Since Tito we haven't seen any real dominant WW to be proclaimed the man at 147lbs.

This are the actual prospects to be called the man.

Cotto : He was on his way to be the man if he had not loose to Margo (for me he cheated) but still there was P. Williams in the horizon (It would have been a great match)

Mosley: While he gave Margo the beating of his life Cotto still has a win over him convincingly for about 3 rounds in my score cards among others.

MArgo: We all know his story but still if he wouldn't been caught cheating who knows what he could have done to Shane Mosley but still he has a convincingly L against P. Williams.

P.Williams: While he was a very avoided WW he has a very convincingly L vs Quintana who was destroyed by Cotto. P. Williams re match Quintana and in a very competitive first round Williams caught Quintana and end it but in a bad night everything can happen going both ways for Quintana and P.Williams meaning fight 1 and 2.

Mayweather: Fast up and comer from a div he was the man and the undisputed champ. His first fight at 140 was Henry Bruseles (check him before and after Floyd fight in boxrec) his second fight was a very weight drain and Down hill and RIP Arturo Gatti which he KO's quite easy like a champ should do. So thinking he was the man at 140 leaving Cotto and Hatton goes to 147 to fight Sharamba Mitchel (Way past his Prime) goes and fight the Baldi a guy we all know he ain't shit and box his ass of like it was suppose to happen then fights Judah which I respect him for taking that fight and like it some here said he won but struggle to get that win and to top it off he was Knock Down legitimately but the ref did not counted. Goes and fights Oscar at 154 another fight I respect him to take and win a very close fight with a bit faded Oscar in a bore fest but it is still was a good win to rise his name more in the boxing world setting up fights with the real threads at WW which where Mosley, Cotto and Margo. While all the hype is make and we where all boxing fans sight to see Floyd vs the real top guys at WW and we where all thinking who will be next; Floyd goes and fight the 140 champ(Hatton) at 147, a weight that the 140 champ struggle with Collazo a guy Mosley toyed ala Cotto vs Gomez. But it was evident it was for $$$$ I mean who would say not to that right? maybe in his next fight. Floyd then Stops HAtton and and we boxing fans where hoping to see Floyd vs the Winner of Cotto and Mosley what he does he said **** THAT SHIT and retire his ass leaving me and all boxing fans and his fans frustrated since he talked all that shit about I will beat anybody and this was and tat way and did not walk the walk. etc got tire of typing.

Andre Berto: Good kid fast and strong but lacks of concentration and defense he had a very difficult time with Collazo and in my eyes and others he still got a lot to proved to belong to the elite.

Manny Pac:[/B Coming from an impressive win over HAtton at 140 and already had a fight vs past his prime and we can agree he was very weight drained OScar De La Hoya at 147 he now calls out Miguel Cotto at a catch weight of 145 lbs to even things up like they said but still want the hard earn and defended Tittle Cotto earned weighting having the option to weight 147 lbs (WW rules max weight) but still Cotto weighted 146 in his last fight leaving space to shed one more pound to fight PAC. Still PAc and his crew (ROach) wanted for Cotto to go as low as 143. (So why the hell you called him out?) If Pac wins over Cotto he still has to fight Mosley of Floyd without any catch weight crap if he wants to belong at the WW elite group but we all know he just wants to win the 7 weight Div belt and if he wins vs Cotto he will ask Floyd, Marquez or Mosley to again to fight him at a catch weight as well.


To stay on the topic we still haven't see a true dominant WW since Felix Trinidad. Who could of those or up and comer be the new dominant WW CHAMP that take all fighters like Tito did.

Excuse my typing errors!!!!!

Tito was more well established than any of the "champs" of today at WW but he never fought Quartey and IMO didn't beat DLH, and then there was Mosley, yea he had the longest title run but to say he was dominant i'm not so sure

[DaxxKahn]

[b]Felix "Tito" Trinidad the last real dominant WW Champ...

Tito was more well established than any of the "champs" of today at WW but he never fought Quartey and IMO didn't beat DLH, and then there was Mosley, yea he had the longest title run but to say he was dominant i'm not so sure

Agreed mate....He never fought IKE who was dangerous at that stage of his career...And the DLH fight was more DLH giving up the last 3 rds then Tito winning them....Until then Oscar had gave Tito all he could handle

[Master]

Tito beat undefeated fighters in Oba Carr and Yori Boy, he also convincingly beat admittedly the old Whitaker. ODH shook the division though fighting Pernell and Ike.

[VictorCharlie]

ODH, Tito and Mosely never really answered who was the best @ WW. I thought Oscar beat Tito but a rematch would have been really interested. I also thought Oscar won the second fight with Shane so a third was really needed. Not sure how a Mosely v Tito fight never happened. I'd take Shane in that one. To me I put both Shane and Oscar slightly above Tito and w/o a third fight between the two I can't say who I think was the better WW. I'd say its fair to say Tito has had the most relevant reigh at WW of the last several champs. Williams could probably own the division if he wanted it but great WWs never seem to stay welters very long.

[Rican]

It is clear Tito dominated the 147 division when he was there. No question about it. Look at his KO rate and look at the people he KO'd and how he ko'd them. Just because he did not dominate Oscar does not mean he did not dominate the division. And Ike Quartey? He was pretty good, but in my mind he gets dominated too, only because of his style. Oscar was so scared of Tito that he "boxed" and gained the nickname "Chicken" de la Hoya. And the reason Tito did not fight Mosley was simply a timing issue. Mosley fought at lower weights and Tito moved up while Mosley was moving up. And Tito ducked no one.

[Puerto Rican Punch]

It is clear Tito dominated the 147 division when he was there. No question about it. Look at his KO rate and look at the people he KO'd and how he ko'd them. Just because he did not dominate Oscar does not mean he did not dominate the division. And Ike Quartey? He was pretty good, but in my mind he gets dominated too, only because of his style. Oscar was so scared of Tito that he "boxed" and gained the nickname "Chicken" de la Hoya. And the reason Tito did not fight Mosley was simply a timing issue. Mosley fought at lower weights and Tito moved up while Mosley was moving up. And Tito ducked no one.

Agreed. Tito fought the best of his division while he was there. However, he could not fight guys like Mosley or Forest because he decided to move up in weight class to fight the best of the other divisions. Related to "Chicken" De La Hoya he was so scared of Tito's power that decided to run a marathon instead of fighting. After the fight it was very easy for him to start talking about a rematch and how bravely he was going to fight and never step in the ring with Tito. Watch De La Hoya's face when Tito touched his face with the left hand during the fourth round. I believe all of them, Mosley, De La Hoya, Quartey, Forest, etc had been great champs and had done a lot for boxing, but certainly Tito was more dominating at WW.

Even at 154 Tito looked so solid, sharp, and dominating, although it was a short stay to keep moving up in weight... and keep fighting the best

[ElTerribleMorales]

It is clear Tito dominated the 147 division when he was there. No question about it. Look at his KO rate and look at the people he KO'd and how he ko'd them. Just because he did not dominate Oscar does not mean he did not dominate the division. And Ike Quartey? He was pretty good, but in my mind he gets dominated too, only because of his style. Oscar was so scared of Tito that he "boxed" and gained the nickname "Chicken" de la Hoya. And the reason Tito did not fight Mosley was simply a timing issue. Mosley fought at lower weights and Tito moved up while Mosley was moving up. And Tito ducked no one.

Agreed. Tito fought the best of his division while he was there. However, he could not fight guys like Mosley or Forest because he decided to move up in weight class to fight the best of the other divisions. Related to "Chicken" De La Hoya he was so scared of Tito's power that decided to run a marathon instead of fighting. After the fight it was very easy for him to start talking about a rematch and how bravely he was going to fight and never step in the ring with Tito. Watch De La Hoya's face when Tito touched his face with the left hand during the fourth round. I believe all of them, Mosley, De La Hoya, Quartey, Forest, etc had been great champs and had done a lot for boxing, but certainly Tito was more dominating at WW.

Even at 154 Tito looked so solid, sharp, and dominating, although it was a short stay to keep moving up in weight... and keep fighting the best

In order to DOMINATE a division you had to be the clear cut best, and sorry by not fighting Quartey and getting a GIFT decision against De La Hoya, whom by the way boxed circles around Trinidad for 9 odd rounds and basically showed the way to beat Tito, and yea IMO Trinidad did more to establish himself as the best at 154 then he did at 147, having the best title reign and being the dominant fighter of a division are two different things, although he didn't avoid anyone (IMO he would of taken fights with Quartey, Mosley, and Forrest if they would have presented themselves available) he didn't manage to make him the clear cut best in the division, if not left it open for discussion, and Trinidad was far from DOMINATING at 154, he struggled against a 15-0 David Reid and his fight against the 22 yr old Vargas was pretty much back and forth, a very competitive fight, far from domating display, fighters who have dominated their divisions are Hopkins at 160, Roy Jones Jr. at 175, Joe Calzaghe at 168, Calderon at 105, ect.

[TitoFan]

It is clear Tito dominated the 147 division when he was there. No question about it. Look at his KO rate and look at the people he KO'd and how he ko'd them. Just because he did not dominate Oscar does not mean he did not dominate the division. And Ike Quartey? He was pretty good, but in my mind he gets dominated too, only because of his style. Oscar was so scared of Tito that he "boxed" and gained the nickname "Chicken" de la Hoya. And the reason Tito did not fight Mosley was simply a timing issue. Mosley fought at lower weights and Tito moved up while Mosley was moving up. And Tito ducked no one.

Agreed. Tito fought the best of his division while he was there. However, he could not fight guys like Mosley or Forest because he decided to move up in weight class to fight the best of the other divisions. Related to "Chicken" De La Hoya he was so scared of Tito's power that decided to run a marathon instead of fighting. After the fight it was very easy for him to start talking about a rematch and how bravely he was going to fight and never step in the ring with Tito. Watch De La Hoya's face when Tito touched his face with the left hand during the fourth round. I believe all of them, Mosley, De La Hoya, Quartey, Forest, etc had been great champs and had done a lot for boxing, but certainly Tito was more dominating at WW.

Even at 154 Tito looked so solid, sharp, and dominating, although it was a short stay to keep moving up in weight... and keep fighting the best

Hey PR Punch... good to see you back in the forum. I 100% agree with your and Rican's points. And something Tito gets very little credit for, in my opinion...

It's easy to downplay Tito's wins over the likes of Oba Carr, Yori Boy Campas, Fernando Vargas... all undefeated at the time. Other people have beaten these guys, the detractors will claim. But how about giving Tito credit for putting the first "L" on their records? For fighting them when they were rising stars? At their most dangerous? When no one else wanted a piece of them? It's easy to say that "Oscar beat them too." Yeah... AFTER Tito had taken them apart. But some people conveniently forget that.

Yeah, Tito dominated 147. And would've dominated 154 for a long time also, but went up quickly to 160 and ran into Bernard Hopkins. He did destroy 160-pound champ William Joppy by KO before that, though.

[ElTerribleMorales]

It is clear Tito dominated the 147 division when he was there. No question about it. Look at his KO rate and look at the people he KO'd and how he ko'd them. Just because he did not dominate Oscar does not mean he did not dominate the division. And Ike Quartey? He was pretty good, but in my mind he gets dominated too, only because of his style. Oscar was so scared of Tito that he "boxed" and gained the nickname "Chicken" de la Hoya. And the reason Tito did not fight Mosley was simply a timing issue. Mosley fought at lower weights and Tito moved up while Mosley was moving up. And Tito ducked no one.

Agreed. Tito fought the best of his division while he was there. However, he could not fight guys like Mosley or Forest because he decided to move up in weight class to fight the best of the other divisions. Related to "Chicken" De La Hoya he was so scared of Tito's power that decided to run a marathon instead of fighting. After the fight it was very easy for him to start talking about a rematch and how bravely he was going to fight and never step in the ring with Tito. Watch De La Hoya's face when Tito touched his face with the left hand during the fourth round. I believe all of them, Mosley, De La Hoya, Quartey, Forest, etc had been great champs and had done a lot for boxing, but certainly Tito was more dominating at WW.

Even at 154 Tito looked so solid, sharp, and dominating, although it was a short stay to keep moving up in weight... and keep fighting the best

Hey PR Punch... good to see you back in the forum. I 100% agree with your and Rican's points. And something Tito gets very little credit for, in my opinion...

It's easy to downplay Tito's wins over the likes of Oba Carr, Yori Boy Campas, Fernando Vargas... all undefeated at the time. Other people have beaten these guys, the detractors will claim. But how about giving Tito credit for putting the first "L" on their records? For fighting them when they were rising stars? At their most dangerous? When no one else wanted a piece of them? It's easy to say that "Oscar beat them too." Yeah... AFTER Tito had taken them apart. But some people conveniently forget that.

Yeah, Tito dominated 147. And would've dominated 154 for a long time also, but went up quickly to 160 and ran into Bernard Hopkins. He did destroy 160-pound champ William Joppy by KO before that, though.

Vargas was at 154, and no one is trying to take anything away from Tito, just pointing out the fact that he was never the CLEAR CUT best at 147, DLH should of gotten the win, and Mosley and Quartey could of given him a hell of a fight where it would have been 50/50 at most, Trinidad never should have left 154, and IMO would of ended with a better career with possible fights against Forrest, Mosley, rematch with DLH, Santos, ect.

[Rican]

It is clear Tito dominated the 147 division when he was there. No question about it. Look at his KO rate and look at the people he KO'd and how he ko'd them. Just because he did not dominate Oscar does not mean he did not dominate the division. And Ike Quartey? He was pretty good, but in my mind he gets dominated too, only because of his style. Oscar was so scared of Tito that he "boxed" and gained the nickname "Chicken" de la Hoya. And the reason Tito did not fight Mosley was simply a timing issue. Mosley fought at lower weights and Tito moved up while Mosley was moving up. And Tito ducked no one.

Agreed. Tito fought the best of his division while he was there. However, he could not fight guys like Mosley or Forest because he decided to move up in weight class to fight the best of the other divisions. Related to "Chicken" De La Hoya he was so scared of Tito's power that decided to run a marathon instead of fighting. After the fight it was very easy for him to start talking about a rematch and how bravely he was going to fight and never step in the ring with Tito. Watch De La Hoya's face when Tito touched his face with the left hand during the fourth round. I believe all of them, Mosley, De La Hoya, Quartey, Forest, etc had been great champs and had done a lot for boxing, but certainly Tito was more dominating at WW.

Even at 154 Tito looked so solid, sharp, and dominating, although it was a short stay to keep moving up in weight... and keep fighting the best

In order to DOMINATE a division you had to be the clear cut best, and sorry by not fighting Quartey and getting a GIFT decision against De La Hoya, whom by the way boxed circles around Trinidad for 9 odd rounds and basically showed the way to beat Tito, and yea IMO Trinidad did more to establish himself as the best at 154 then he did at 147, having the best title reign and being the dominant fighter of a division are two different things, although he didn't avoid anyone (IMO he would of taken fights with Quartey, Mosley, and Forrest if they would have presented themselves available) he didn't manage to make him the clear cut best in the division, if not left it open for discussion, and Trinidad was far from DOMINATING at 154, he struggled against a 15-0 David Reid and his fight against the 22 yr old Vargas was pretty much back and forth, a very competitive fight, far from domating display, fighters who have dominated their divisions are Hopkins at 160, Roy Jones Jr. at 175, Joe Calzaghe at 168, Calderon at 105, ect.

Dude, usually I agree with you, but how can you say Trinidad did more to establish himself at 154 than at 147? Tito only fought three times at 154 after moving up! Then later you say he was far from dominating at 154, but again, he only fought there three times, beat two champions, and didn't Tito knockdown Reid seven times? Vargas 4-5? And who did Quartey fight at 147 other than Oscar? I think you are giving Quartey too much credit. In terms of Oscar, he did not provide the blueprint to beat Trinidad. Hopkins did. Oscar was missing the power to stop Tito in his tracks. Hopkins and Wright had that power.

[Master]

Tito dominated light middle too, he beat very good champions at that weight.

[HattonTheHammer]

only true dominant divisional champs of the last decade have been calzaghe at 168 and bhop at 160.

Mayweather hasnt fought enough at 147 yet to be classed as dominant, pac keeps moving weights, tito didnt exactly boss every fight he ever fought, klitschkos fight bums, barrera and morales fought at various weights and RJJ got itchy bum fever every time he knew he owned a division

[ElTerribleMorales]

Agreed. Tito fought the best of his division while he was there. However, he could not fight guys like Mosley or Forest because he decided to move up in weight class to fight the best of the other divisions. Related to "Chicken" De La Hoya he was so scared of Tito's power that decided to run a marathon instead of fighting. After the fight it was very easy for him to start talking about a rematch and how bravely he was going to fight and never step in the ring with Tito. Watch De La Hoya's face when Tito touched his face with the left hand during the fourth round. I believe all of them, Mosley, De La Hoya, Quartey, Forest, etc had been great champs and had done a lot for boxing, but certainly Tito was more dominating at WW.

Even at 154 Tito looked so solid, sharp, and dominating, although it was a short stay to keep moving up in weight... and keep fighting the best

In order to DOMINATE a division you had to be the clear cut best, and sorry by not fighting Quartey and getting a GIFT decision against De La Hoya, whom by the way boxed circles around Trinidad for 9 odd rounds and basically showed the way to beat Tito, and yea IMO Trinidad did more to establish himself as the best at 154 then he did at 147, having the best title reign and being the dominant fighter of a division are two different things, although he didn't avoid anyone (IMO he would of taken fights with Quartey, Mosley, and Forrest if they would have presented themselves available) he didn't manage to make him the clear cut best in the division, if not left it open for discussion, and Trinidad was far from DOMINATING at 154, he struggled against a 15-0 David Reid and his fight against the 22 yr old Vargas was pretty much back and forth, a very competitive fight, far from domating display, fighters who have dominated their divisions are Hopkins at 160, Roy Jones Jr. at 175, Joe Calzaghe at 168, Calderon at 105, ect.

Dude, usually I agree with you, but how can you say Trinidad did more to establish himself at 154 than at 147? Tito only fought three times at 154 after moving up! Then later you say he was far from dominating at 154, but again, he only fought there three times, beat two champions, and didn't Tito knockdown Reid seven times? Vargas 4-5? And who did Quartey fight at 147 other than Oscar? I think you are giving Quartey too much credit. In terms of Oscar, he did not provide the blueprint to beat Trinidad. Hopkins did. Oscar was missing the power to stop Tito in his tracks. Hopkins and Wright had that power.

he was the clear cut best by the time he beat Vargas, because Wright was pretty much an unknown at that time, well maybe not unknown but he wasn't the force that he would later end up being at 154, aside from Carr, an old Whitaker, and Campas, what real capable fighter did he beat that was at his peak, DLH was a gift decision, again i'm not saying that Trinidad wasn't a force at 147, but he was far from dominant, and yea he dropped Reid a bunch of times, and yet still struggled in that fight, and De La Hoya gave the blueprint on how to beat Trinidad, Hopkins himself said that he studied that fight over and over, he dropped Vargas 5 times yet was only ahead by 3 points going into the final round before the final 3 kd's, he's an all time great, but he was never the most dominant fighter in the division, in fact there wasn't a dominant fighter in any of the divisions he fought in, except for 160, and that was Hopkins

[johnashton]

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