Why Marvin Hagler Is The Best Middleweight Of All Time.

[Kev]

Bilbo you are just fukkin sad that you still bring that shit up. Nobody gives a damn that Ice beat your ass in chess get over it.

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

[ryanman]

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

I agree with you here Bilbo, when i used to come on here a lot a couple of years ago, he was always tripping himself up. But he does put effort in to helping people out with stats and info and the like

[Kev]

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

I agree with you here Bilbo, when i used to come on here a lot a couple of years ago, he was always tripping himself up. But he does put effort in to helping people out with stats and info and the like

Yeah I've got nothing against him at all, he just annoyed me yesterday trying to argue a completely pointless point so I'm tetchy today

[ICB]

I've never played Ice at chess it wasn't me he cheated.

Anyway it's not the fact he cheated at chess, it's more that he lied about his entire childhood.

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

I have never ever said i lost my first Amateur bout, that was something Memphis thought i said. But he was mistaken so get your facts straight, i've already explained to you about the chess thing.

In the other thread and if you think i cheated, why don't you play me at Kurnik ? you can't cheat there. Because your name flashes when you open up another window.

I won 2-1 i lost a game so how the hell was i cheating ? i offered CGM blitz games or games at Kurnik. But he wanted to leave it, which was fair enough.

If you want to bring this up constantly, because it seems to bother you so much. Go right ahead but its make you look petty, and your the one that said i constantly disagree with you ?

Secondly i never tried to say this was my own work, and i explained why i couldn't put a link. And thats because it was from another boxing site, and i cannot mention that boxing site, because Saddo's doesn't allow me to do it.

I didn't realize it was an article, from the site BIG H posted. I personally got it from another forum, and i was impressed with it. So i put it up here i should have mentioned the guys screen name.

But i didn't so that was me making a mistake, but when i have done articles myself. I have always said its me, like my Charles Burley was one was me, and in the thread title i said it was me.

So don't try and make out i post articles, and try and take credit for other peoples work. Because i can do my own articles, i've done one on Nigel Benn, Floyd Mayweather, Charles Burley. Im not petty that i take credit for other peoples work.

The reason i didn't reply to this thread straight away, is because as you said i was inactive. And not due to anything happening on here, because that doesn't bother me at all. Because i had personal things to deal with.

Lastly it amuses you ? what exactly amuses you ? you've been on my case for the last two weeks. Your the one actually amusing me, because your making such a fuss over nothing.

[ICB]

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

I agree with you here Bilbo, when i used to come on here a lot a couple of years ago, he was always tripping himself up. But he does put effort in to helping people out with stats and info and the like

Sorry but who are you ? i don't think i've ever really talked to you before. And im not trying to sound rude, but you don't have a clue about this argument. So you should keep out of it, what is this boys in a playgroud trying to gang up on me ? absolutely laughable.

[ryanman]

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

I agree with you here Bilbo, when i used to come on here a lot a couple of years ago, he was always tripping himself up. But he does put effort in to helping people out with stats and info and the like

Sorry but who are you ? i don't think i've ever really talked to you before. And im not trying to sound rude, but you don't have a clue about this argument. So you should keep out of it, what is this boys in a playgroud trying to gang up on me ? absolutely laughable.

who am i? I'm a human being, similar to you. Secondly, i stood up for you. Thirdly, you do sound rude. And finally, its not for you to tell me to keep out of anything. Thanks for the advice though

[ICB]

Bilbo you are just fukkin sad that you still bring that shit up. Nobody gives a damn that Ice beat your ass in chess get over it.

Don't worry about bro, just keep out of it so you don't get dragged into it. I beat Bilbo at Checkers not Chess, i beat CGM 2-1 in Chess. And to all the people that doubted me, i offered CGM blitz games or games at Kurnik where you cannot cheat.

But he didn't want to know, he wanted to leave it. Which is fine because frankly its ridiculous to argue over anyway. Especially when it has nothing to do with Bilbo anyway. And it was CGM i played, and Bilbo is making more fuss over it than CGM.

And if CGM has any doubts, he can speak to me about it anytime in a PM. And we can arrange some games anytime, im not really bothered. The thing i can understand Bilbo is probably little annoyed at.

Is because i didn't tell the truth about how much experience, i had which is fine. But i also explained this many times, and thats because otherwise i didn't think anyone would want to play.

The fact is im not expert at chess, i know some openings. And i can see ahead quite well, but im not that good. Im alot better at checkers or i was anyway, but obviously checkers is much more simple than chess.

[ICB]

I agree with you here Bilbo, when i used to come on here a lot a couple of years ago, he was always tripping himself up. But he does put effort in to helping people out with stats and info and the like

Sorry but who are you ? i don't think i've ever really talked to you before. And im not trying to sound rude, but you don't have a clue about this argument. So you should keep out of it, what is this boys in a playgroud trying to gang up on me ? absolutely laughable.

who am i? I'm a human being, similar to you. Secondly, i stood up for you. Thirdly, you do sound rude. And finally, its not for you to tell me to keep out of anything. Thanks for the advice though

Im saying who are you, because your discussing about me with Bilbo. So you must know me but i honestly don't know you, the only thing i know about you. Is that you said your an old member who was here a few years ago or something.

All im saying is that you should keep out of this argument, because you don't know what went down. And im not being rude when i say that, im saying that so you don't get dragged into an argument.

Personally i don't want to really be discussing this now, with Bilbo but he is bringing up really old shit. I just want to get back to talking about boxing, but yet i've had to defend myself for the last 3 days or so.

And to be honest this shouldn't be happening, on the main board either. If he has a problem with me he should PM me. Otherwise guys like you get involved, when they shouldn't be.

And thats not being rude to you, i've got no problems with you. How can i ? i don't even know you. Or i can't remember you.

[ryanman]

Sorry but who are you ? i don't think i've ever really talked to you before. And im not trying to sound rude, but you don't have a clue about this argument. So you should keep out of it, what is this boys in a playgroud trying to gang up on me ? absolutely laughable.

who am i? I'm a human being, similar to you. Secondly, i stood up for you. Thirdly, you do sound rude. And finally, its not for you to tell me to keep out of anything. Thanks for the advice though

Im saying who are you, because your discussing about me with Bilbo. So you must know me but i honestly don't know you, the only thing i know about you. Is that you said your an old member who was here a few years ago or something.

All im saying is that you should keep out of this argument, because you don't know what went down. And im not being rude when i say that, im saying that so you don't get dragged into an argument.

Personally i don't want to really be discussing this now, with Bilbo but he is bringing up really old shit. I just want to get back to talking about boxing, but yet i've had to defend myself for the last 3 days or so.

And to be honest this shouldn't be happening, on the main board either. If he has a problem with me should PM me. Otherwise guys like you get involved, when they shouldn't be.

And thats not being rude to you, i've got no problems with you. How can i ? i don't even know you. Or i can't remember you.

ok,no problems mate

[jamiebhoy]

Sorry to get back on track here, but as a fan of Hagler I still say it's one of those ones that's too cloase to call over Monzon. Like lots of these debates it all comes down to personal preference of a fighters skills and style coupled with his record and list of opponents.

Dealing with a what if scenario I think it's a pick 'em fight between these two but there is an obvious argument for either of them claiming title of best ever.

[Kev]

How do you know he lied about his childhood? Did you watch him grow up? Do you know him personally?

Because he has given several accounts. Do you not read the threads?

He lost his first amatuer bout now he's 6-0.

He didn't know how to play chess then he was a prodigy who studied grandmaster games with his trainer during his schooldays.

Anyway it's not important, I only mentioned it because this was his thread about his thoughts on Hagler until youngblood told us somebody else had written it.

He amuses me is all.

I have never ever said i lost my first Amateur bout, that was something Memphis thought i said. But he was mistaken so get your facts straight, i've already explained to you about the chess thing.

In the other thread and if you think i cheated, why don't you play me at Kurnik ? you can't cheat there. Because your name flashes when you open up another window.

I won 2-1 i lost a game so how the hell was i cheating ? i offered CGM blitz games or games at Kurnik. But he wanted to leave it, which was fair enough.

If you want to bring this up constantly, because it seems to bother you so much. Go right ahead but its make you look petty, and your the one that said i constantly disagree with you ?

Secondly i never tried to say this was my own work, and i explained why i couldn't put a link. And thats because it was from another boxing site, and i cannot mention that boxing site, because Saddo's doesn't allow me to do it.

I didn't realize it was an article, from the site BIG H posted. I personally got it from another forum, and i was impressed with it. So i put it up here i should have mentioned the guys screen name.

But i didn't so that was me making a mistake, but when i have done articles myself. I have always said its me, like my Charles Burley was one was me, and in the thread title i said it was me.

So don't try and make out i post articles, and try and take credit for other peoples work. Because i can do my own articles, i've done one on Nigel Benn, Floyd Mayweather, Charles Burley. Im not petty that i take credit for other peoples work.

The reason i didn't reply to this thread straight away, is because as you said i was inactive. And not due to anything happening on here, because that doesn't bother me at all. Because i had personal things to deal with.

Lastly it amuses you ? what exactly amuses you ? you've been on my case for the last two weeks. Your the one actually amusing me, because your making such a fuss over nothing.

I'm just ribbing you Ice, don't sweat it man, I just enjoy winding you up sometimes, with Legion not around there is nobody here for me to play with any more

[RozzySean]

Seems that no one brings up Carlos Monzon who never lost in prime had a long reign over the middle weight division and retired the champion.

Monzon was a great champion, but he wasn't as complete a fighter as Hagler. They have similar resumes, but based on my eyes, Hagler had more speed and overall game. Monzon was a great champion, and it's completely legit to bring up his name, but I would pick a prime Hagler over Monzon any day.

[Dark Lord Al]

Not sure who is the Greatest Middleweight to be honest though I am not a fan of Monzon from what I have seen.

Hagler was superb and was often criticized like Calzaghe for not having the competition until later.

What I am sure about is that ICB has written one superb article - hard pressed to remember a better one.

Rob the main difference is ,that Hagler fought everyone available , and won the undisputed title.
Calzaghe didn't fight the best available or other champions like Ottka etc.
The comparison is unfair in Hagler we have an old school warrior , and in Calzaghe we have a protected modern fighter .

[Youngblood]

I'm just ribbing you Ice, don't sweat it man, I just enjoy winding you up sometimes, with Legion not around there is nobody here for me to play with any more

Ya where'd he disappear to again? Someone needs to send me a PM and give me the goods on that. He was finally startin to post a bunch again, then poof! Gone.

Is better I find out then start speculating. Got a vivid imagination.

[brucelee]

Not to defend ICB, I immediately knew that it was not his work upon reading the article. The article was too polished to have been ICB's work, no offense meant ICB.

I guess, without defending Bilbo, he was also trying to wind up ICB. Knowing Bilbo, I am of absolute conviction that he knows the writing style of every member here just as I know the difference between the writing style of Dickens and Twain.

Anyway, the article was nice and if I find time, I shall dissect the information presented there.

Nice to be back in Saddo.