no more like most boxers just honing your craft. on a side note i have noticed that in the Wash. D.C. area, the trainers for the amateurs are not all that professional. my interest isn't in pro level training anyway, too involved i like working the pads with the thai guys esp when they are new, they like all the different combo's i can feed them and mine tend to be different because i add a lot of the stuff boxers would use