Felix "Tito" Trinidad the last real dominant WW Champ...

[Rican]

Now I can understand better; we are just talking about 2 different Trinidad because I don't recall that trash talking that you are mentioning here in his career. I believe me. I followed Felix "Tito" Trinidad career (the one from Puerto Rico). One thing is confidence and stating that he was going to win (what my Trinidad did) vs the talk crap that the Trinidad you are refering to did. I don't think you got my point, when I said that De La Hoya needed less mouth and more heart, I was refering to the fact that De La Hoya all the time said that he wanted the rematch, but never stepped in the ring with Tito again. I was not saying that De La Hoya was insulting anyone. If there are no possibility that Tito could KO him, just asked yourself why De La Hoya decided to start running a marathon instead of stopping and KO Tito

We can certainly differ in opinions of who won, Tito or De La Hoya. This is why this forum is so intersting where we can share different opinions and point of views. But if you think that De La Hoya won all first 9 rounds and I really can question this judgment as being partial. So it really does not mean anything to me.

And, no I had not forgot what happened after Joppys fight, that is why I am saying that from 1999 to 2001 Tito fought 5 world champs and beat 4 of them. Just tell how many boxers can say this? Just a few, right? But I can also remember what happened during Joppy's fight and all the previous fights.

Being an undefeated champ for 6 year before unifying at 147, then quickly move to the upper divisions to unify titles at 154 beating to undefeated champs, and crush a solid champ at 160 before being stopped... and this is non a dominating fighter... what a contradiction. But as I said we can have different opinions and this is why this is so interesting.

DLH made if very public that he wanted a rematch and Trindad's father (cause after he lost to Hopkins, Felix Sr is the only one who would give out statements) made it clear that Tito wanted no rematch, only time Trinidad said he'd give the rematch was if it was at 168 which is pretty ludicrous if you ask me, well and on the flip side, Trinidad's heart could be questioned using your logic, he always mouthed off on how he wanted a Hopkins rematch, yet when Hopkins openly offered it to him, Trinidad rejected it, Tito was a great champ, but there's a clear difference from being confident and being cocky, and for one to yell out "AND NEW IBF CHAMPION" before his fight against Vargas, show's he was plenty of cocky, DLH didn't lose more than ONE round in the first 9 against Trinidad, and that's not being biased, it's fact, stating that Trinidad should of got the W just cause DLH stayed on his bicycle for the last 3 rnds, even though Tito lost at LEAST 8 of the first 9 rounds, and there being no KD's or anything remotely close to one is pure bullshit, DLH gave Trinidad a boxing lesson, then committed the mistake of not fighting for the last 3 rounds, DLH threw away the fight more than Trinidad won it, y bueno yo soy de Aguadilla/Isabela Puerto Rico, solo que no dejo el dicho de yo ser Boricua dejarme ciego a la verdad, y la verdad es que no hubo un #1 claro en los 147 libras en ese tiempo, DLH and Trinidad IMO were dead even, and their fight basically didn't answer anything cause of the bad decision, and even if the right decision would have been made i wouldn't say that DLH was a dominant champ at 147

Mi pana, Aguadilla e Isabela son dos pueblos distintos. There were talking about a rematch before Trinidad fought at 160. I don't know why we are saying that Trinindad wanted the fight only at 168. This could be after his last come back where Trinidad Sr. did not want Tito to fight at 160 or intermediate weights between 160 and 154, and this is where I can agree with you, I feel that Tito's father did more bad than good in the last stage of his career. However, if you had follow this saga, do you remember when De La Hoya said that he could fight Tito at 160 weight even if he had to put rocks on his pockets to make the weight This was when Tito was at 160, but it seems that Sturm cleared De La Hoya's head. The rematch talking started way before Tito was at 168 and there was never an agreement. De La Hoya said that in the rematch that never happened he was going to fight as a pure Mexican Macho. This is what I criticize of him because he had the chance to fight and KO Tito, if he was so confortable in that fight based on what you are saying; why Chicken De La Hoya "the macho" did not stop and fight to KO Trinidad??

At least this time you accepted that Tito at least won one round between 1 and 9, watch again and you may find some others. In some rounds Tito was chasing De La Hoya for 2.5 minites and then the last couple of seconds De La Hoya threw some combos and of course he has quick hands and that can impress, but that is why there are professional judges. Y mi pana, no es ser ciego. Es claro que Tito fue dominado por Hopkins y Winky, y aunque tuvo un bien comienzo con con RJJ, que espero hayas visto los primeros 6 rounds, la fortaleza de Jones se impuso cundo lastimó a Tito. He ganado muchas veces apostando contra el boxeador boricua, asi que se dejar el corazón al lado cuando hay que hacerlo.

Many of those early rounds were even until de la Hoya would flurry with his pitty pat combinations during the last ten seconds of each round. Tito was such a dominant welterweight that he made Oscar a "chicken," which he was never known as before the Trinidad fight. Also, I remember the main reason the rematch with Oscar did not occur was because as always, de la Hoya wanted to control everything, especially the weight. Tito wanted the fight at 154 and Oscar was asking for a catch weight of 151. Tito, Papa, and Don King didn't need Oscar to make money, as they proved.

[Pacdbest2]

Tito lost to DLH. Everybody knows that.