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    Default Re: Yet another example of astonishing fossil preservation

    Hey Andre, regarding evolution in the sense you do there is less conflict. When I talk about the evolution I am specifically talking about the molecues to man grand theory and not the fact that people can evolve spiritually.

    Even here though I would disagree to an extent. It is my belief that 'the thoughts of man's heart is only evil continually' and 'there is none that do good, not even one', backed up with 'there will be terrible unGodliness in the last days', all of which lead me to believe that spiritualy enlightenment and moral progression is not happening at all, morality and spirituality are dying and decaying every bit as much as the physical universe in which we live.

    Whilst I certainly believe individuals can improve, the overall trend is definitely downwards.

    As for judgement and God's wrath I am with you 100% in that I cannot understand it.

    All I can say is that God is Love, but He is also Holy and Just, and a fair and just God must administer justice for offenses caused otherwise people would be getting away with sin, which would mean some people (including God) would not be getting justice for damage inflicted upon them.

    Truly I believe that none are innocent, all of us have hurt somebody or something, often without realising in ways we can't see, buying goods that were made with child slavery, polluting the planet and causing death or destruction of God's earth, everyone has played some part in the sins of the world and a Just God must surely see to it that these offenses are set right, to restore the balance as it were.

    I can only say regarding punishment and wrath that clearly God does not wish it for us, to the point that He chose to sacrifice His only Son and offer Him up as a scapegoat for us if we would only accept it.

    Even in the Old Testament God's wrath was tempered with mercy and compassion. When Adam and Eve sinned by eating of the tree of life they suffered the wrath of God and His judgement. But he was also merciful. He made them coats of animal skin to clothe them. When Cain slew Abel, he put a mark on Cain to ensure that nobody would kill him in retaliation. Prior to all of his judgements, both against Isreal, and the surrounding nations, He sent warnings and offers of mercy. But His prophets were stoned to death and killed! Likewise He has built His Church now to proclaim the message of God's coming judgement, but also of His love and mercy for all those who ask for forgiveness and accept His free offer of salvation.

    I'm not really familiar with the Kabbalistic tree of life. It sounds interesting but it is completely clear and beyond doubt from scripture that Jesus believed in a literal Adam and a literal fruit, and a literal fall from grace, along with a literal Noah, so if I am to believe in Him and His resurrection and redemptive mission I must also accept what He believed in and said.


    The creation story in my mind simply requires no comparison to the scientific account and just because science believes in a Big Bang does not mean I have to give it any credence whatsoever. The Bible just puts 'God said 'Let there be light', and that's it, so that's all I believe.

    Exactly what that light source was I don't know although it's clear it was not the sun as that was created on day 4.

    Am I crazy enough to believe God could have lit the earth for three days without a sun? Yes I am, I don't look at the universe as it is now and try and work backwards to see how it was all put together. I believe the creator of the universe could create it in any order he liked just a human computer programmer could create an artificial world on computer and give light without a sun.


    Was he talking about false religion rather than evolution? Of course Paul was writing to a specific head of a specific church dealing with specific problems related to that time, however the application is timeless, and evolution IS a false religion.

    The beliefs that the universe evolved thanks to some mystical process and that all of life is directly related and arose from billions of years cycle of reproduction and death, culminating in man finally appearing IS a religious belief system.

    It is the religion of man, attempting to replace the supernatural with natural, removing God and placing man at the centre of his own destiny, man is God. It's the oldest anti religion of all, it's what mankind has always done right since the time of Adam and the Serpent managed to create doubt in Eve by asking 'Did God really say....?'
    Last edited by Kev; 08-28-2009 at 05:33 AM.

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