Ok Bilbo here it is, Plain as I can explain it. Tough Gong

[Youngblood]

No, I am not completely wrong on it, and basically what you are trying to do here is sway a conversation regarding realities, to one in your comfort zone, a misunderstanding of evolution. Dawkins is not a physicist. He is an ethologist and evolutionary biologist.

Let's atleast stay on track some.

I am chiming in here to back Andre some, who isn't really arguing anything with you, with my belief that his ideas and opinions aren't necessarily some new age spiritual mumbo jumbo, as many others often misunderstand them as. And that in part, I tend to think have some basis in science.

[Andre]

Well Im in the middle of both trains of thought. I think science is very limited by only looking for material answers when there is only about 4% of solid material or matter in the Universe,and to look at it from within the actual matter using from tools that are made from within mattter by menatal and spiritual people encased in matter is having one perseptive and will be limited by what you are looking for and from what view point.

They are searching for How.


Creationists I dont think you can group all religious or belivers of God into that group.

I think strict read and believe only styled religious people what ever they are called; also cant see the whole story either because they are stuck in what others have told them is fact. This is both a type of knowing how,and knowing why but from another single fixed point of view:
By an ancient storyline similar to the Aboriginal dream time attached to it as to why these things have arisen out of spituality into material being. The trouble here is proving cause and effect from feelings to thoughts to actions into solid matter.


These are known stages that have running effects right through them but the religous only deal with two of them How and why but the link between them has to be blind faith which is very powerful when large numbers of people gather in it and feel it deeply, it has effects that run right through to the physical including miracle healings and lineal time driven events comming into what they call divine timing (something occuring exactly when its required to, to complete their storyline and faith.)


Physicists come closer to looking into to both sides of each power, that runs behind the Why and how.

It is from there that old spiritual wisdom is being considered as more correct in regards to the layout of structure of cause and effect from one dimension to the other as seen in string theory as well as some other more left field experiments like the physical changes that occur in water molecules through the intention of feeling and thinking towards it etc.

Many of the ancient knowledge schools share a laddered or tiered structure. Some from Tibet and northern India some from Egypt like the right eye of Horus and left eye of Horus schools of thought (which Moses brought the "One God" idea out from, for the re uniting of his split and scattered people to be able join in one feeling and one thought to be able to empower themselves out of separation and slavery etc and become a whole race again.

Anyway there, as in Christian religion there is traces of a dimensional theme where the lower forms are stuck in materialisum or worse if you wish to head further down into the second dimension which is less fliud and more material and much more restricted and dense than this the third dimension.

They have it structured but in their storyline as in Hell -demonic, Earth- human-demonic-angelic, then the strictly Angelic realm of heaven , then the Arch angelic above that, and then Ascended masters, so on and so forth all the way up to the Trinity and then the original ONE that is untouchable unseeable except from the view from the Trinity level.

These ancient storylines were written in a sequential fashion so that you couldnt remove too much from it without it being very obvious. So even though The Romans killed off all the original practicing christians , over took the whole religion for themselves, omitted many truths and re structured the How part so they could gain more money,control, political and spiritual power over all others through their new adopted religion; you should be able to tell which dimension their power iminates from:

The truth of why can be still found within the writings. The fact you can tell which dimensional side is influencing people straight from their deeds and their works is one of the wisdoms of truth left untouched in it.

Look at history, you will be able to tell who gives freely and who gives with one hand and reaps havoc with the other. You will see who brings death torture ,birth control and excessive growth of their own flock through it.

This is the cause and effect in real terms over human existance and they have roots out through law and most of the western goverment structure to this day. And they have already risen against the east.