Manny Pacquao, How great is he???

[generalbulldog]

Hope this does not turn into a massive argument between Pac Lovers and haters.


In my eyes he just seems to get better and better with each fight.


How great is he?

How great will he be if he beats Cotto?


I will stick my head above the parapit and say that he is a p4p top 10 all time great and is getting better.



The greatest fighter since Ali IMO.





Ok,now all the Pac Haters can slag me off.

For me he's is the Greatest I've seen. I started Wacthing Boxing in the 70s with Ali, Duran & SRL. I think He surpassed them all already.

Let the nuthuggers and haters now battle.

[Truth]

I disagree that the Barrera, Morales and Marquez fights are what will determine the bulk of his legacy. These fights as impressive as they were happened when he wasn't the face of the sport as he is today. I think what will define his legacy in most is his current reign as P4P king. Which so far has been nearly flawless but I believe a lot of his and Mayweather's legacy depend on when they face each other & what happens.

[Mr140]

Well to be honest i have him in top 30 somewhere which i thinks fair. But to be honest i cant put him in the top 10 ever because i have Sugar Ray Leonard in that spot. To me Pac while never be as good as Leonard was. But thats just me if you disagree well to each his own i guess.

[Mr140]

To be honest i have Pac rated in the same place i have Holyfeild rated. Some may disagree because of Holyfeild loses but thats mostly due to him staying in boxing to long. We while have to see if Pac while hang around past his prime like Holyfeild, Leonard and many others have done.

[leftylee]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

[Mr140]

I dont think Cotto while be his best win be honest with you. His best wins and lose are some what of a question mark if you ask me. I thought he lost to both Mosley and Clottey and then to Margarito, Which we may never know unless they have rematch which may still happen i guess.

[killersheep]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

The thing is how ever much you discount his resume, can you historically name 20 people who have better resumes with better success.

[leftylee]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

The thing is how ever much you discount his resume, can you historically name 20 people who have better resumes with better success.

Your saying Pacquiao is in the best top 20 ever right now ? Or when he beats Cotto ?

[josef4334]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....

[Violent Demise]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....

Nobody knew Oscar was that shot except for Freddie Roach. Roach called Oscar a "walking dead man". He himself said the fight would never of happened if he thought Oscar was any type of threat. Think about that for a second. How much credit you going to give Pac for beating a man who really couldn't fight any more? Hell Roach even went as far as saying he wouldn't get paid if Oscar won. He was that sure Oscar was finished.

[leftylee]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....

VD already touched upon De La Hoya so I'll discuss Hatton.

Ricky Hatton's punch resistance had gone when Pacquiao got to him. I shamefully admit I was blinded by the Malignaggi fight. Look at the 2 fights before that and Lazcano rocked him (Not overly rocked like what some fools say, but enough) and Mayweather knocked him out. The reason he looked like he could take a shot of Malignaggi is simple, Paulie can't punch.

Hatton's chin had been exposed and he couldn't take a shot no more. Manny Pacquiao never finished Hatton, he was already done. In hindsight though nobody could see it bar a few. Maybe heart got in the way of me choosing Hatton, I dunno. But it was dumb to think Ricky Hatton could beat Pacquiao on May 2nd. If Hatton would have fought Pacquiao straight after Lazcano I would have had Manny the favourite. Everybody would. The Malignaggi fight blinded us. We all thought the Hatton of 2005 is back with Floyd Sr. How wrong were we.

[BlackHawk]

Manny Pacquiao is somewhere 1 to 20 greatest boxer of all time.

If Manny Pacquiao beats Miguel Cotto. His somewhere 1 to 10 greatest boxer of all time.

- He is the ONLY fighter to archive the following:

* 7th Division world champion in different weight class

* 4 or 5 Linear World Champion ( Ring Magazine )

* WBC Diamond Belt

* W-50 L-3 D 2 (Beat most elite fighters)

* 106lbs to 147lbs (10 Division)

Current achievements:
Titles

Major:

• WBC world flyweight champion
• IBF world super bantamweight champion
• WBC world super featherweight champion
• WBC world lightweight champion

Minor:

• OPBF flyweight champion
• WBC international super bantamweight champion
• WBC international super featherweight champion
• IBO world light welterweight champion

The Ring Magazine titles:

• World featherweight champion
• World super featherweight champion
• World light welterweight champion

Lineal Championship titles:

• World flyweight champion
• World featherweight champion
• World junior lightweight champion
• World junior welterweight champion

Recognitions

• 2006 & 2008 Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year
• 2006 & 2008[86] Boxing Writers Association Of America Fighter of the Year
• 2009 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[87]
• WBC Emeritus Champion
• The Ring Magazine #1 Pound For Pound
• 5-Time PSA Sportsman of the Year
• 2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[88]
• 2008 BoxingScene.com Fighter of the Year[89]
• 2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[90]
• 2008 SecondsOut.com Fighter of the Year[91]
• 2008 TheSweetScience.com Boxer of the Year[92]
• 2008 WBC Boxer of the Year[93]
• 2008 Yahoo Sports Fighter of the Year[94]
• 2008 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[95]
• 2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes & Icons Category)[96]
• 2009 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (ranked 57th)[97]
• 2009 Versus World's TOUGHEST Athlete

Name a fighter who can match his achievements?

[Violent Demise]

He's a sure Hall of Famer. And he's top 100 all time. Around 97 or 98. Great accomplishments. He's had a great career. Anybody that rates him the top 10 is clearly someone who goes to his house every weekend and sucks his dikk. Either that or there just plain idiots who don't know the sport.

[porkypara]

He's a sure Hall of Famer. And he's top 100 all time. Around 97 or 98. Great accomplishments. He's had a great career. Anybody that rates him the top 10 is clearly someone who goes to his house every weekend and sucks his dikk. Either that or there just plain idiots who don't know the sport.

Yep,you are the type of poster that has put me off this site in the last year or so.


Full of your own self importance but in reality you are just like a spoilt child.

[DaxxKahn]

He's a sure Hall of Famer. And he's top 100 all time. Around 97 or 98. Great accomplishments. He's had a great career. Anybody that rates him the top 10 is clearly someone who goes to his house every weekend and sucks his dikk. Either that or there just plain idiots who don't know the sport.

97-98 ....Cmon VD you know damn well he is no 97 or 98th ranked atg.....

Even if you don't want to agree with the top 10....and until all is said and done I would not rank him there but a top 25 certainly