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[JT Rock]

No way he's mediocre.

Overrated is a different debate but he's not mediocre.

Really, on what planet is 16-10 not mediocre?

[OumaFan]

B.J. Penn's 14-5-1 that doesn't look that great, they've both lost to a lot of good fighters. Anyway he's a world champ in two divisions. Doesn't that kind of disqualify you from being mediocre? Overrated is ok but I don't see how he's mediocre.

[JT Rock]

B.J. Penn's 14-5-1 that doesn't look that great, they've both lost to a lot of good fighters. Anyway he's a world champ in two divisions. Doesn't that kind of disqualify you from being mediocre? Overrated is ok but I don't see how he's mediocre.

9 more wins than losses while hitting your prime has tons more upside than 6 and being 46 You forget BJ was fighting heavies in open weight contests.. I would say BJ struggled at Welter he dosent belong there, he rules his division and will for years.

Randy fits the mold and thats why guys like Rogan have a bromance with him, but seriously 16-10 is both overrated and mediocre. Not like Holyfield who is clearly past it and rides the merit of his past greatness, he will have a gatepass and history will be more kinder for the majority of the end of his career when looked back on. Couture on the other hand has no excuses, he and his legion of gushing fanboys have removed his age as being a factor in the equation with all the Randy is superhuman Bullshit. So I think every loss is really killing his legacy, his much hyped legacy

[Youngblood]

JT, you're needed in the MMA forum.

[OumaFan]

I'm not even arguing Couture's as good as Penn or anything I don't think that, but Couture has fought bigger guys too, almost all the time at heavyweight. He's also got a lot of good wins.

Anyway there's no point in going around in circles, I'll just say again no way anyone could ever convince me he's mediocre. Chris Leben is mediocre to me, we must have vastly different standards of mediocrity.

[JT Rock]

I'm not even arguing Couture's as good as Penn or anything I don't think that, but Couture has fought bigger guys too, almost all the time at heavyweight. He's also got a lot of good wins.

Anyway there's no point in going around in circles, I'll just say again no way anyone could ever convince me he's mediocre. Chris Leben is mediocre to me, we must have vastly different standards of mediocrity.

ok a few good wins, but this guy is hailed as the crown jewel of MMA and he has 6 more wins than losses I mean cmon dude, Randy is not in the same league as guys like Nogs, Fedor, Rampage, Shogun, Wand Silva etc

[OumaFan]

I don't know about that Chris Leben example, he kind of sucks. Maybe I just don't like him. Nah I'd still consider him mediocre.

OK but as far as him not being in that group, that's being overrated, I don't even disagree totally that he's overrated.

I always thought Wanderlei was a bit overrated

[Youngblood]

Ouma, JTs callin u names in the MMA forum. Just sayin.

[JT Rock]

I don't know about that Chris Leben example, he kind of sucks. Maybe I just don't like him. Nah I'd still consider him mediocre.

OK but as far as him not being in that group, that's being overrated, I don't even disagree totally that he's overrated.

I always thought Wanderlei was a bit overrated

I'll tell you who I think is better than Randy and is underrated with minimal fanfare is Dan Henderson... Chris Leben is a panhandling troll looks like the kinda guy who owns an unlicensed tattoo parlor in his basemant