Manny Pacquao, How great is he???

[Pacdbest2]

For me he's is the Greatest I've seen. I started Wacthing Boxing in the 70s with Ali, Duran & SRL. I think He surpassed them all already.

You would think that, sorry but he's still got a fair bit of work to reach that level

On the topic of where he is, at present I would have him definitely in the Top 40, probably somewhere close on either side of 30. A win over Cotto would certainly push him higher, but the problem is that as much as people don't want to hear it, there are question marks over some of his biggest wins (Oscar, Morales & Marquez). Also for me, I don't feel there's one division that he really dominated to class him as one of the best in that particular division.

Also how people rank him is based often on an individual's preferences, how they weight competition, skill & external factors. I would have him & Mayweather roughly equivalent, but someone pulled out the Ring ratings earlier, & tbh I would have both these guys over Marciano & Chavez, & certainly already level with Jofre & Arguello.

If Pacquiao beat Cotto & then Mayweather, I would have him Top 10 borderline. One thing though is that boxing unlike other sports isn't one to gloss over certain issues through history (i.e. decisions, a fighter being weight drained etc) so I don't think his career will start looking better with time. But, the guy deserves the utmost respect for his achievements & I think he will TKO Cotto within 9.

What your saying are just excuses!!! Pac is one of the Greats now. When he's about to take MAB every critics said He's biting more than he can Chew. He takes EM, they say he's too small, He takes DLH, he's too small again, they say it's impossible for pac to win. When Pac was still at 130 they say Hatton will kill Pac. Now Pac Beat the hell af all their asses you guys come out with these excuses.

Now Pac was about to take out Cotto. what will be your excuse again

Pac Beat The best opponents available, he didn't duck nobody. He defied logic. He proved Critics wrong. He wins spectacularly. Very few can top that.

[JazMerkin]

For me he's is the Greatest I've seen. I started Wacthing Boxing in the 70s with Ali, Duran & SRL. I think He surpassed them all already.

You would think that, sorry but he's still got a fair bit of work to reach that level

On the topic of where he is, at present I would have him definitely in the Top 40, probably somewhere close on either side of 30. A win over Cotto would certainly push him higher, but the problem is that as much as people don't want to hear it, there are question marks over some of his biggest wins (Oscar, Morales & Marquez). Also for me, I don't feel there's one division that he really dominated to class him as one of the best in that particular division.

Also how people rank him is based often on an individual's preferences, how they weight competition, skill & external factors. I would have him & Mayweather roughly equivalent, but someone pulled out the Ring ratings earlier, & tbh I would have both these guys over Marciano & Chavez, & certainly already level with Jofre & Arguello.

If Pacquiao beat Cotto & then Mayweather, I would have him Top 10 borderline. One thing though is that boxing unlike other sports isn't one to gloss over certain issues through history (i.e. decisions, a fighter being weight drained etc) so I don't think his career will start looking better with time. But, the guy deserves the utmost respect for his achievements & I think he will TKO Cotto within 9.

What your saying are just excuses!!! Pac is one of the Greats now. When he's about to take MAB every critics said He's biting more than he can Chew. He takes EM, they say he's too small, He takes DLH, he's too small again, they say it's impossible for pac to win. When Pac was still at 130 they say Hatton will kill Pac. Now Pac Beat the hell af all their asses you guys come out with these excuses.

Now Pac was about to take out Cotto. what will be your excuse again

Pac Beat The best opponents available, he didn't duck nobody. He defied logic. He proved Critics wrong. He wins spectacularly. Very few can top that.

I say the guy is one of the best 30 fighters of all time & you throw a fit over it. You do realize the significance of that? A sport that's been around something like its current form for a 125 years or so, & he is one of the 30 best practitioners in that time says a lot about how highly I rate him. But no according to you, I'm trying to make excuses. Hey, I wasn't the one comparing him to Ali, Duran & Ray Leonard. He is great now, but so were those guys, can't help if I (& most boxing fans) rate them higher.

I've said he'll beat Cotto, & I give him full credit for beating Barrera. The problem with you is that unless someone praises Pac unequivocally & says he's the best of all time, you lose your minds & see it as 'hate'. I swear if he ran over a toddler, you'd probably say the child was a Marquez fan & asked for it