Manny Pacquao, How great is he???

[josef4334]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....

[Violent Demise]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....

Nobody knew Oscar was that shot except for Freddie Roach. Roach called Oscar a "walking dead man". He himself said the fight would never of happened if he thought Oscar was any type of threat. Think about that for a second. How much credit you going to give Pac for beating a man who really couldn't fight any more? Hell Roach even went as far as saying he wouldn't get paid if Oscar won. He was that sure Oscar was finished.

[Dark Lord Al]

I think you have to give credit to pac for going through the divisions , and still carrying power and speed , opinions will always differ , especially when some love him and some hate him. Those who love or hate him really cant give and unbiased view. I do know what I'm talking about , take my hero Tommy Hearns for example , i would make excuses for him , and defend him in any argument , now however when older and wiser although still my favorite boxer ever , i can see both the good and bad in him as a fighter.
Its also like my view of Joe Calzaghe , because i hated him , i can never really give a balanced view , I'm always going to dwell on the bad parts of his makeup , and give little credit for the good points.
I do find it hard to understand why people hate PACMAN , he is exciting and is not a loudmouth, boxing in my opinion will be a worse place when Manny hangs up his gloves.

[yvonne]

[quote=Dark Lord Al;780921]I think you have to give credit to pac for going through the divisions , and still carrying power and speed , opinions will always differ , especially when some love him and some hate him. Those who love or hate him really cant give and unbiased view. I do know what I'm talking about , take my hero Tommy Hearns for example , i would make excuses for him , and defend him in any argument , now however when older and wiser although still my favorite boxer ever , i can see both the good and bad in him as a fighter.
Its also like my view of Joe Calzaghe , because i hated him , i can never really give a balanced view , I'm always going to dwell on the bad parts of his makeup , and give little credit for the good points.
I do find it hard to understand why people hate PACMAN , he is exciting and is not a loudmouth, boxing in my opinion will be a worse place when Manny hangs up his gloves.[/quote]

Exactly mate!Weather you like him or not he is just such a forceful game fighter who has'nt avoided anyone in his path.He's already got the well deserved status as a legend in the noble art world.We'll miss him when he eventually hangs up his gloves,soo weather you hate him or like him he deserve big respect.Boxing would be a lot boring now if he was'nt doing what he's doing now would it!

[Andre]

I think you have to give credit to pac for going through the divisions , and still carrying power and speed , opinions will always differ , especially when some love him and some hate him. Those who love or hate him really cant give and unbiased view. I do know what I'm talking about , take my hero Tommy Hearns for example , i would make excuses for him , and defend him in any argument , now however when older and wiser although still my favorite boxer ever , i can see both the good and bad in him as a fighter.
Its also like my view of Joe Calzaghe , because i hated him , i can never really give a balanced view , I'm always going to dwell on the bad parts of his makeup , and give little credit for the good points.
I do find it hard to understand why people hate PACMAN , he is exciting and is not a loudmouth, boxing in my opinion will be a worse place when Manny hangs up his gloves.

Al I dont think any real fight fans hate Pacman personally ,they do hate alot of his fans.

So they try to pull them all down a peg every chance they can get.

I can see why; every Pac related thread for months on the main board was designed as an alter for Manny so that his fans could feel even better about him in his greatness or that they are the greatest boxing fans in the world or fight predictors and know more about the whole sport because one of their countrymen is on the top (then they must all know better than anyone else).

No disrespect to the Manny fans we have kept here who are all of a more balanced and humble point than some others that we have already got rid of.

You know who you are.

[JazMerkin]

I think you have to give credit to pac for going through the divisions , and still carrying power and speed , opinions will always differ , especially when some love him and some hate him. Those who love or hate him really cant give and unbiased view. I do know what I'm talking about , take my hero Tommy Hearns for example , i would make excuses for him , and defend him in any argument , now however when older and wiser although still my favorite boxer ever , i can see both the good and bad in him as a fighter.
Its also like my view of Joe Calzaghe , because i hated him , i can never really give a balanced view , I'm always going to dwell on the bad parts of his makeup , and give little credit for the good points.
I do find it hard to understand why people hate PACMAN , he is exciting and is not a loudmouth, boxing in my opinion will be a worse place when Manny hangs up his gloves.

Al I dont think any real fight fans hate Pacman personally ,they do hate alot of his fans.

So they try to pull them all down a peg every chance they can get.

I can see why; every Pac related thread for months on the main board was designed as an alter for Manny so that his fans could feel even better about him in his greatness or that they are the greatest boxing fans in the world or fight predictors and know more about the whole sport because one of their countrymen is on the top (then they must all know better than anyone else).

No disrespect to the Manny fans we have kept here who are all of a more balanced and humble point than some others that we have already got rid of.

You know who you are.

Yep, C-Lo & OumaFan. That is all

[jamiebhoy]

That's what gets me, the people who set him up as a god like figure and only go on about him. They are purely Manny fans, with the odd exception you don't hear them comment on any other fighters as it's just a national pride thing which is great but not reflective of the general nature of the board, which is for fans of boxing not individuals.

For someone to issue a statement saying that I or anyone dislikes a fighter because he is Asian is plain dumb. That's a chip on the shoulder they have to bear, not me. As a fight fan I don't care what colour or nationality they are so don't go there. The majority of my sporting heroes are black or Hispanic, and living in Australia I live and work amongst a large number of Asians many of whom are friends.

We don't hate Manny, as a fighter I respect his achievements thus far and hope he continues on with his success. If a regular here says he has him on his all time great list and has him high then cool. If someone who only watches Pac fights says the same thing then that obviously doesn't carry much weight.

Humility is the key.

[leftylee]

I have to agree with Ice. He is a great fighter but somehwhat overrated. A lot of people are blinded by the De La Hoya and Hatton fights and forget what Marquez did to him.

He is by no means invincible or any shiit like that, I think Mayweather beats him. And there are also question marks over Cotto. I mean how much did Margarito take out of him. Look at how he looked in the Clottey fight. I don't think Pacquiao will gain massive amounts of great credit if he beats Cotto. Of course he'll gain a lot and so he should. But Mosely is pretty much the man at welterweight right now, and Cotto looks to be on the slide. And I think when Pacquiao beats Cotto (Which I think he will) people will raise the question of the catchweight at what they fought. IMO anyways.

which a lot of people including you thought he was gonna get slaughtered in those fights... the hating continues and so on.....

VD already touched upon De La Hoya so I'll discuss Hatton.

Ricky Hatton's punch resistance had gone when Pacquiao got to him. I shamefully admit I was blinded by the Malignaggi fight. Look at the 2 fights before that and Lazcano rocked him (Not overly rocked like what some fools say, but enough) and Mayweather knocked him out. The reason he looked like he could take a shot of Malignaggi is simple, Paulie can't punch.

Hatton's chin had been exposed and he couldn't take a shot no more. Manny Pacquiao never finished Hatton, he was already done. In hindsight though nobody could see it bar a few. Maybe heart got in the way of me choosing Hatton, I dunno. But it was dumb to think Ricky Hatton could beat Pacquiao on May 2nd. If Hatton would have fought Pacquiao straight after Lazcano I would have had Manny the favourite. Everybody would. The Malignaggi fight blinded us. We all thought the Hatton of 2005 is back with Floyd Sr. How wrong were we.

[BlackHawk]

Manny Pacquiao is somewhere 1 to 20 greatest boxer of all time.

If Manny Pacquiao beats Miguel Cotto. His somewhere 1 to 10 greatest boxer of all time.

- He is the ONLY fighter to archive the following:

* 7th Division world champion in different weight class

* 4 or 5 Linear World Champion ( Ring Magazine )

* WBC Diamond Belt

* W-50 L-3 D 2 (Beat most elite fighters)

* 106lbs to 147lbs (10 Division)

Current achievements:
Titles

Major:

• WBC world flyweight champion
• IBF world super bantamweight champion
• WBC world super featherweight champion
• WBC world lightweight champion

Minor:

• OPBF flyweight champion
• WBC international super bantamweight champion
• WBC international super featherweight champion
• IBO world light welterweight champion

The Ring Magazine titles:

• World featherweight champion
• World super featherweight champion
• World light welterweight champion

Lineal Championship titles:

• World flyweight champion
• World featherweight champion
• World junior lightweight champion
• World junior welterweight champion

Recognitions

• 2006 & 2008 Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year
• 2006 & 2008[86] Boxing Writers Association Of America Fighter of the Year
• 2009 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[87]
• WBC Emeritus Champion
• The Ring Magazine #1 Pound For Pound
• 5-Time PSA Sportsman of the Year
• 2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[88]
• 2008 BoxingScene.com Fighter of the Year[89]
• 2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[90]
• 2008 SecondsOut.com Fighter of the Year[91]
• 2008 TheSweetScience.com Boxer of the Year[92]
• 2008 WBC Boxer of the Year[93]
• 2008 Yahoo Sports Fighter of the Year[94]
• 2008 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[95]
• 2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes & Icons Category)[96]
• 2009 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (ranked 57th)[97]
• 2009 Versus World's TOUGHEST Athlete

Name a fighter who can match his achievements?

[yvonne]

You have to love Manny,he's awesome to watch.All eyes are on Manny and there have been for years.Im glad to witness a worthy awesome boxer that has dominated the boxing scene with great force at this moment of time.Lets all enjoy Manny.Fighters like him dont come around often,and when he's gone we'll all miss him in the sport,even the small batch of Manny haters will eventually miss him too.

Manny is awesome!