Boxing and MMA

[JazMerkin]

I think boxing should go back to the early to mid 20th century in terms of gloves, like the flyweights and such should use 4oz gloves.

I don't think you go far enough. Perhaps instead of gloves fighters should wear solid steel knuckledusters. Meanwhile gumshields should be outlawed from the sport. The loser gets fed to the lions at the end if the crowd sees fit

[Nameless]

I think boxing should go back to the early to mid 20th century in terms of gloves, like the flyweights and such should use 4oz gloves.

I don't think you go far enough. Perhaps instead of gloves fighters should wear solid steel knuckledusters. Meanwhile gumshields should be outlawed from the sport. The loser gets fed to the lions at the end if the crowd sees fit

Maybe not the knuckledusters, they would fall instantly, we want more durable fights with excitement and blood. You want to make it better? I would go VinceMacmahon style: I say 15 rounds matches with 4 oz gloves with abrasive leather to scratch easily the skin, aluminium foil underneath, no possibilities to stop the fight because of a bad cut, use of vaseline or adrenalin would be forbidden, no gumshields allowed and each fighters would come to the ring with nothing less than fireworks and special effects. Oh, also, there would be 2 voluntary head butts allowed per fighter per fight.

[superboxer]

Lighter gloves do not cause deaths or injuries. They changed it from 6oz for below featherweight to 8oz in 1991 as a knee-jerk response to a head injury and coma 'Akeem Anifowoshe' got. I remember seeing Cho Hi vs Daichi Sakoda(200, they were landing full force at some times and neither went down. Cho Hi died from the fight. Changing the gloves to 8oz didn't save anyone. You could even say if the gloves were smaller, one of them might have been knocked out earlier and Cho Hi would not have taken all the punishment that killed him.

You could also say that that is only speculation, but so is the theory that smaller gloves are dangerous. It's all speculation. So instead of basing the glove size on complete guesswork about which one is safe or not, base it on entertainment. Smaller gloves = faster, harder punching = more entertaining.

I also watched video of "Masaki Sawanaga" dying in the ring. Again they were using 8oz gloves. Again it didn't save him.

[JazMerkin]

Lighter gloves do not cause deaths or injuries. They changed it from 6oz for below featherweight to 8oz in 1991 as a knee-jerk response to a head injury and coma 'Akeem Anifowoshe' got. I remember seeing Cho Hi vs Daichi Sakoda(200, they were landing full force at some times and neither went down. Cho Hi died from the fight. Changing the gloves to 8oz didn't save anyone. You could even say if the gloves were smaller, one of them might have been knocked out earlier and Cho Hi would not have taken all the punishment that killed him.

You could also say that that is only speculation, but so is the theory that smaller gloves are dangerous. It's all speculation. So instead of basing the glove size on complete guesswork about which one is safe or not, base it on entertainment. Smaller gloves = faster, harder punching = more entertaining.

I also watched video of "Masaki Sawanaga" dying in the ring. Again they were using 8oz gloves. Again it didn't save him.

You lost any credibility you might ever have had on this forum with those two sentences right there.

[superboxer]

Lighter gloves do not cause deaths or injuries. They changed it from 6oz for below featherweight to 8oz in 1991 as a knee-jerk response to a head injury and coma 'Akeem Anifowoshe' got. I remember seeing Cho Hi vs Daichi Sakoda(200, they were landing full force at some times and neither went down. Cho Hi died from the fight. Changing the gloves to 8oz didn't save anyone. You could even say if the gloves were smaller, one of them might have been knocked out earlier and Cho Hi would not have taken all the punishment that killed him.

You could also say that that is only speculation, but so is the theory that smaller gloves are dangerous. It's all speculation. So instead of basing the glove size on complete guesswork about which one is safe or not, base it on entertainment. Smaller gloves = faster, harder punching = more entertaining.

I also watched video of "Masaki Sawanaga" dying in the ring. Again they were using 8oz gloves. Again it didn't save him.

You lost any credibility you might ever have had on this forum with those two sentences right there.

Why? Explain.

[JazMerkin]

Lighter gloves do not cause deaths or injuries. They changed it from 6oz for below featherweight to 8oz in 1991 as a knee-jerk response to a head injury and coma 'Akeem Anifowoshe' got. I remember seeing Cho Hi vs Daichi Sakoda(200, they were landing full force at some times and neither went down. Cho Hi died from the fight. Changing the gloves to 8oz didn't save anyone. You could even say if the gloves were smaller, one of them might have been knocked out earlier and Cho Hi would not have taken all the punishment that killed him.

You could also say that that is only speculation, but so is the theory that smaller gloves are dangerous. It's all speculation. So instead of basing the glove size on complete guesswork about which one is safe or not, base it on entertainment. Smaller gloves = faster, harder punching = more entertaining.

I also watched video of "Masaki Sawanaga" dying in the ring. Again they were using 8oz gloves. Again it didn't save him.

You lost any credibility you might ever have had on this forum with those two sentences right there.

Why? Explain.

You're basing the glove size on entertainment. Have you ever been in a ring? Being hit by a 14oz glove is vastly less painful than being hit by a 10oz glove worn by the same fighter. Yes, people still die with 8oz, but a hell of a lot more fighters were dying in the ring in the early part of the 20th century. But obviously you want to return to that for 'entertainment'

[superboxer]

You lost any credibility you might ever have had on this forum with those two sentences right there.

Why? Explain.

You're basing the glove size on entertainment. Have you ever been in a ring? Being hit by a 14oz glove is vastly less painful than being hit by a 10oz glove worn by the same fighter. Yes, people still die with 8oz, but a hell of a lot more fighters were dying in the ring in the early part of the 20th century. But obviously you want to return to that for 'entertainment'

Nothing you said there is new to me. Yes I have been in the ring, I have sparred using the tiring, burdening 16oz sparring gloves and fought using much better 10oz gloves. The 10oz gloves were a lot easier to fight with, but 6oz would be much better and 4oz better still. Did I receive more damage from an individual shot from a 10oz than a 16oz? Of course. It's boxing, and damage is an integral part of the game. Otherwise why not wear those helmets American football players use?

Pain itself does not cause head injury and death, repeat damage to the brain does. I already made the point about some of the deaths and how hypothetically if the fights had been finished earlier with more powerful punches the deaths might not have occurred, but due to the reduced impact, the fighters received a lot more blows and the overall punishment was greater than if that had happened.

Which fighter has received more punishment? The fighter knocked out with a punch that is 10 on the power scale, or a fighter TKO'd with 20 shots over the course of his demise that rate 5.

10 x 1 = 10
5 x 20 = 100

Yes you could come up with your own speculation but it's pretty pointless. There was no solid reason to change the glove size so much, and it reduced entertainment.

Yes, people still die with 8oz, but a hell of a lot more fighters were dying in the ring in the early part of the 20th century. But obviously you want to return to that for 'entertainment'

As for a lot more people dying, that could be due to a lot of factors. Better refereeing / quicker stoppages, less rounds, better doctor presence etc. Correlation does not automatically mean causation. They used to have blank canvases rather than advertisements on them. I guess all the deaths in boxing have been due to that then, since the deaths are lower now than they were when the canvases. The fighters had different hairstyles, maybe that caused it...