Mayweather-Marquez 24/7 Drinking Game

[ElTerribleMorales]

Where was this 'steel' De La Hoya was throwing? I thought that by rounds Mayweather controlled almost all of them & I had it 117-111 when watched with the commentary off.

The Castillo fight on the other hand whilst I had a narrow 114-113 victory for Mayweather, I can easily see it going the other way & Castillo may have had the more decisive rounds. The scorecards in that fight were a complete fuckin joke.

I don't score by punch numbers, maybe Taeth does, I do it by who takes each round, not the flow of the fight. That's why I had Clottey beating Cotto because of rounds, although if you look it as a fight Cotto looked like the guy who won. ElTerrible is right though, Taeth simply can't be objective about any fighter he's a fan of.

DLH landed the harder shots and it was evident on PBF's face, he had more than decent swelling while Oscar came out clean

Oscar also outweighed him by at least 15lbs, hence his punches being harder. To me neither looked like they'd been in a fight, but are you really saying you'd score a fight based on slight swelling above one eye?

Found the vid - Would you really say that is real swelling? It probably came from that final flurry at the end, so do you decide a fight on that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoEn...eature=related

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

[Taeth]

DLH landed the harder shots and it was evident on PBF's face, he had more than decent swelling while Oscar came out clean

Oscar also outweighed him by at least 15lbs, hence his punches being harder. To me neither looked like they'd been in a fight, but are you really saying you'd score a fight based on slight swelling above one eye?

Found the vid - Would you really say that is real swelling? It probably came from that final flurry at the end, so do you decide a fight on that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoEn...eature=related

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

116-112 is 8-4 roundwise, and 115-113 is rediculous, you would have to give rounds where OScar used blind, ineffective aggression, to rally that scorecard. Since when did walking into punches win you rounds?

[Althugz]

The problem with using "landed" punch stats as an indicator as to who won the fight is that if it goes to points, you can't say Fighter A won because his punch TOTAL was twice what Fighter B's was.

E.G Mayweather Castillo - If we look at the punch stats after maybe rounds 5 and 6, I'm 95% sure Mayweather would have been ahead - He slowed down after the 6th round but if you've already got 6 rounds in the bag, does it really matter whether the other fighter ends up landing more total punches by the end of the fight?? I thought Mayweather nicked it by a round because he took too many early rounds and had one round later on. As Jaz Merkin says, Castillo won rounds more decisively and towards the end of the fight hence why people made a big hoo hah imo.

Then there's the fact that compubox stats are crap - come on, if Calzaghe was in an amateur contest with Hopkins and using correct punching technique he probably would have scored the least punches on Hopkins than any other fighter. It's supposed to be a "punchstat" not a "slapstat"

[JazMerkin]

DLH landed the harder shots and it was evident on PBF's face, he had more than decent swelling while Oscar came out clean

Oscar also outweighed him by at least 15lbs, hence his punches being harder. To me neither looked like they'd been in a fight, but are you really saying you'd score a fight based on slight swelling above one eye?

Found the vid - Would you really say that is real swelling? It probably came from that final flurry at the end, so do you decide a fight on that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoEn...eature=related

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

Well, so do I if you're trying to imply that I score a fight with bias, I just can't see 5 Oscar rounds in that fight, not when you watch it without Lampley & Merchant cheerleading (watch the 2nd Mosley fight with the sound off & you will see a different fight).

At the time I think I scored it 116-112, but watching it recently I only gave Oscar 3 rounds. I'm not saying it was a shut-out, it was a pretty competitive fight, but round by round Mayweather was better 9 of the 12 for me.

One case in point is that often as boxing fans we tend to see the guy who finishes stronger as winning the fight if it's close. An obvious example is Cotto-Clottey. Even whilst I scored the fight on paper & had it for Clottey, at the finish I had the impression Cotto had won because he closed out better for me. Or Leonard-Hagler, everytime I watched that I mentally decided Hagler won, but when I actually sat down & scored each round I had it narrowly for Leonard.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar also outweighed him by at least 15lbs, hence his punches being harder. To me neither looked like they'd been in a fight, but are you really saying you'd score a fight based on slight swelling above one eye?

Found the vid - Would you really say that is real swelling? It probably came from that final flurry at the end, so do you decide a fight on that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoEn...eature=related

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

Well, so do I if you're trying to imply that I score a fight with bias, I just can't see 5 Oscar rounds in that fight, not when you watch it without Lampley & Merchant cheerleading (watch the 2nd Mosley fight with the sound off & you will see a different fight).

At the time I think I scored it 116-112, but watching it recently I only gave Oscar 3 rounds. I'm not saying it was a shut-out, it was a pretty competitive fight, but round by round Mayweather was better 9 of the 12 for me.

One case in point is that often as boxing fans we tend to see the guy who finishes stronger as winning the fight if it's close. An obvious example is Cotto-Clottey. Even whilst I scored the fight on paper & had it for Clottey, at the finish I had the impression Cotto had won because he closed out better for me. Or Leonard-Hagler, everytime I watched that I mentally decided Hagler won, but when I actually sat down & scored each round I had it narrowly for Leonard.

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

[JazMerkin]

no i'm not saying that, i judge a fight ROUND BY ROUND, and my final score was 115-113 Mayweather at most it could be 116-112 Mayweather, and i scored the fight completely unbiased

Well, so do I if you're trying to imply that I score a fight with bias, I just can't see 5 Oscar rounds in that fight, not when you watch it without Lampley & Merchant cheerleading (watch the 2nd Mosley fight with the sound off & you will see a different fight).

At the time I think I scored it 116-112, but watching it recently I only gave Oscar 3 rounds. I'm not saying it was a shut-out, it was a pretty competitive fight, but round by round Mayweather was better 9 of the 12 for me.

One case in point is that often as boxing fans we tend to see the guy who finishes stronger as winning the fight if it's close. An obvious example is Cotto-Clottey. Even whilst I scored the fight on paper & had it for Clottey, at the finish I had the impression Cotto had won because he closed out better for me. Or Leonard-Hagler, everytime I watched that I mentally decided Hagler won, but when I actually sat down & scored each round I had it narrowly for Leonard.

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Well, so do I if you're trying to imply that I score a fight with bias, I just can't see 5 Oscar rounds in that fight, not when you watch it without Lampley & Merchant cheerleading (watch the 2nd Mosley fight with the sound off & you will see a different fight).

At the time I think I scored it 116-112, but watching it recently I only gave Oscar 3 rounds. I'm not saying it was a shut-out, it was a pretty competitive fight, but round by round Mayweather was better 9 of the 12 for me.

One case in point is that often as boxing fans we tend to see the guy who finishes stronger as winning the fight if it's close. An obvious example is Cotto-Clottey. Even whilst I scored the fight on paper & had it for Clottey, at the finish I had the impression Cotto had won because he closed out better for me. Or Leonard-Hagler, everytime I watched that I mentally decided Hagler won, but when I actually sat down & scored each round I had it narrowly for Leonard.

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

see i can respect your opinion cause you don't just thrash other people for disagreeing with you, unlike Taeth, i've watched Mosley/DLH II without commentary and come up with the same score 116-112 for DLH i felt he controlled most of the first 9 rounds, and Mosley took over a bit winning 3 of the final 4 rounds, agree that HBO's commentators are usually biased, but hey i'm not a drone lol

[JazMerkin]

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

see i can respect your opinion cause you don't just thrash other people for disagreeing with you, unlike Taeth, i've watched Mosley/DLH II without commentary and come up with the same score 116-112 for DLH i felt he controlled most of the first 9 rounds, and Mosley took over a bit winning 3 of the final 4 rounds, agree that HBO's commentators are usually biased, but hey i'm not a drone lol

Lol fair enough. I thought Oscar took most of the early rounds & then started to gas a little after the 6th, with Mosley taking over from there. Can't remember which rounds went to who. HBO's commentators are hilarious, watching an Oscar fight, he could have swing & miss by a foot & Lampley would go "aaannd there's Oscar with a HUGE LEFT HOOK THAT CONNECTS!"

What's great is when the commentary team & Lederman go in completely opposite directions. Like when Lederman scored a round for Collazo in the Berto fight that was about a clear a Berto round as there was. Meanwhile Lennox is acting like Berto is the reincarnation of SRR in a solid Collazo round. I think Teddy Atlas & Lederman would be a match made in heaven, certainly comedy wise

[ElTerribleMorales]

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

see i can respect your opinion cause you don't just thrash other people for disagreeing with you, unlike Taeth, i've watched Mosley/DLH II without commentary and come up with the same score 116-112 for DLH i felt he controlled most of the first 9 rounds, and Mosley took over a bit winning 3 of the final 4 rounds, agree that HBO's commentators are usually biased, but hey i'm not a drone lol

Lol fair enough. I thought Oscar took most of the early rounds & then started to gas a little after the 6th, with Mosley taking over from there. Can't remember which rounds went to who. HBO's commentators are hilarious, watching an Oscar fight, he could have swing & miss by a foot & Lampley would go "aaannd there's Oscar with a HUGE LEFT HOOK THAT CONNECTS!"

What's great is when the commentary team & Lederman go in completely opposite directions. Like when Lederman scored a round for Collazo in the Berto fight that was about a clear a Berto round as there was. Meanwhile Lennox is acting like Berto is the reincarnation of SRR in a solid Collazo round. I think Teddy Atlas & Lederman would be a match made in heaven, certainly comedy wise

yea, i hate it though when they're backing one fighter and when things go south, they quickly jump shit, Manny Steward does this all the time, and usually throws in a bullshit "i had a feeling this was going to happen"

[Taeth]

i'm not implying that you scored it with a biased mentality, i was referring to Taeth who is always biased towards his favorite fighters, i scored both fights (DLH/Mosley II & DLH/Mayweather) by what i saw, and not by what the dickhead commentators were saying, DLH clearly beat Mosley the second time out and IMO that was robbery, i had DLH winning 4 of the first 6 rounds, constantly backing Floyd to the ropes using his jab, and landing it plenty, once Floyd was on the ropes (in the first half) he would basically cover up or try to grab, after the 6th i didn't have DLH win a round till the 12th

I used to think DLH/Mosley was a robbery, than I watched it without Foreman, Lampley & Merchant & I have to say I had Mosley 115-113. We all like to think that the commentators don't affect our opinion of the action, but basic human nature says it must. How else can you explain almost all of press row that night scoring it for Mosley?

I think only had Oscar winning rounds 2,6 & 12 against Floyd if I remember rightly, just didn't feel he was controlling those other rounds. I'll agree Taeth is biased for Mayweather/Berto/Pacquiao/Dirrell/Rigondeaux etc.

see i can respect your opinion cause you don't just thrash other people for disagreeing with you, unlike Taeth, i've watched Mosley/DLH II without commentary and come up with the same score 116-112 for DLH i felt he controlled most of the first 9 rounds, and Mosley took over a bit winning 3 of the final 4 rounds, agree that HBO's commentators are usually biased, but hey i'm not a drone lol

Hey if I am biased then it must be for Mayweather, Pacquiao, Marquez, Hopkins, Wright, Dirrell, Rigondeaux, Gamboa, JML, Cotto, Berto, Haye, Wladimir Klitschko, Nonito Donaire, Kessler... the list goes on this is just off the top of my head.

I am biased for clean landing punches. I love Hopkins but I didn't think he dominated Winky Wright because he couldn't land very many clean punches. I like Marquez more than Barrera, I don't think he was that much more effective. I like Mayweather more than Zab Judah, that doens't make me think he won the first four rounds of that fight. I really like Calzaghe, I still think the compubox numbers were bs in his fight against Hopkins. I like really like Chad Dawson, I don't think he beat Glen Johnson(who I don't like).

The first time I saw Trinidad-De La Hoya I thought Trinidad was the best fighter in the sport, way back when, and when I saw that fight I was thinking damn Oscar is making him look stupid, at that time i thought Tito was the shit, afterwards I thought I didn't know boxing. Then saw Trinidad against Hopkins, I thought Trinidad would win for sure, but Hopkins dominated him. I went into watching both those fights not knowing the outcome.

Morales which of the first four rounds did you give to Mayweather?
the first round where he landed the only solid punches?
The fifth round when Mayweather staggered Oscar off the ropes?
The 3rd round where Oscar didn't get anyhting done, and Mayweather landed clean precise punches?