Fernando Montiel Loss

[Violent Demise]

Looked to me like Montiel got laced. His eye was a mess. No doubt he couldn't see. Pretty much ended the fight. Nice gift from God Valdez got. He was getting smashed in the beginning. His success came after Montiel's eye became a problem

[gest12645]

Montiel will win the rematch because there almost surely will be one. It was looking like he was much better and will get the ko until the cut. He couldnt see well , got hurt in round two. It was one of the wierd losses where the guy who loses is the better fighter and would win prob on 95 out of 100 occasions

[purtyboy]

Looked to me like Montiel got laced. His eye was a mess. No doubt he couldn't see. Pretty much ended the fight. Nice gift from God Valdez got. He was getting smashed in the beginning. His success came after Montiel's eye became a problem

Could not agree more, surely we must have a rematch. Montiel would tko him if the cut would of not happend.

[Galaxy]

I agree Montiel would have KO'd Valdez without the injury, but I'm not sure how likely a rematch will be... Montiel's gonna need time to heal, the bout was at Jr. Bantam so his trinket was safe, plus I think he'll be looking for bigger paydays once he's ready to go again! But it could be a good return fight for Fernando before stepping up with the added incentive of revenge

[OumaFan]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

[ElTerribleMorales]

IMO it's a bullshit win, and Montiel will murder Valdez in the rematch

[Violent Demise]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

[OumaFan]

Why should he have been penalized? He was a little rough but nothing he did warranted a penalty that early in the fight. He led with his head once and even then you can't say definitively that he did it on purpose, he was putting a lot of pressure on, shit happens. The second time Montiel complained about it I looked at it a few times and there is no way somebody could act like they can tell he was trying to butt him, in fact it doesn't look like that at all.


But the ref went along because apparently his job was to watch over Montiel. What's he doing in the second round after the KD? Didn't count, kind of helped him up for fuck's sake, gave him time to rest and recover, its bizarre.

I don't get the rule though, if you're ruled to have been cut by a punch (which he was but the ref missed it, not the end of the world its hard to tell in the heat of the moment) and the fight is stopped because of that before 4 rounds its supposed to be a TKO. But I read something where in Mexico if its stopped before four its a technical draw either way but then they say something about accidental fouls.

Either way Valdez should get an immediate rematch. Its impossible to say exactly what he would have done without the cut, it happened just over a minute in. Montiel was landing but he was never out on his feet and he was bringing a lot of pressure.

Anyway for those who haven't seen it, strange stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMfAs...eature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDqc0...eature=related

[OumaFan]

Apparently the ref didn't say whether it was caused by a punch or a headbutt. You kind of have to choose one, just be like Laurence Cole and ask the judges

[JazMerkin]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

Montiel showed a lack of heart & was helped up by the ref. If you had seen a British or US fighter doing that VD, you would of been calling him a pussy & a biitch. I can't say I was a big fan, but he was one of my favoured fighters in the lower weight-classes.

The cut came from a punch, it should be a TKO. If he'd got caught by a headbutt or cut along the ropes, I'd fully support Montiel, but the fact is he got hit with a punch, panicked over the blood & when he & his corner realized that he was going to lose they pulled him out rather than risk it for a win. He did what Ortiz did, only difference is he got away without a loss. Montiel may be in a different class, but boxing is about everyone having a shot. Valdez took his & has been robbed of the reward.

[Spicoli]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

Montiel showed a lack of heart & was helped up by the ref. If you had seen a British or US fighter doing that VD, you would of been calling him a pussy & a biitch. I can't say I was a big fan, but he was one of my favoured fighters in the lower weight-classes.

The cut came from a punch, it should be a TKO. If he'd got caught by a headbutt or cut along the ropes, I'd fully support Montiel, but the fact is he got hit with a punch, panicked over the blood & when he & his corner realized that he was going to lose they pulled him out rather than risk it for a win. He did what Ortiz did, only difference is he got away without a loss. Montiel may be in a different class, but boxing is about everyone having a shot. Valdez took his & has been robbed of the reward.

Finally had a chance to see it,thanks for the hook up Ouma.

Jaz bud,I really saw no lack of heart there man and certainly no panicked fighter searching for an exit.Any questions about Montiels heart can be most recently answered with a viewing of his under the radar brutal back and forth scrap with another lanky southpaw Melendez late last year.Hurt badly,cut up,swollen and and just plain mashed up, Montiel ignored D and KO'd legit hitter Montiel.From what I saw the man said next to nothing between rounds and was thoughly checked over,the cut was a frigging v shape but he continued to fight on.

I dont speak spanish but did see a hard jab land prior to 1st KD,only view was from behind at about 2:14 (?) and looks like the ref had his head in his arse.No ruling one way or the other.Also think he was shite after Montiel was dropped,very indesicive and bad time to check a cut.Bad officials,shady taste of favoritism but I didn't see Fernando 'looking' for a life line.Ortiz melted down,physically and mentally and opted out as a raw inexperienced prospect in his first big fire fight.There were some crappy circumstances sat night but it was not Montiels first venture into the hurt buisness.

[Violent Demise]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

Montiel showed a lack of heart & was helped up by the ref. If you had seen a British or US fighter doing that VD, you would of been calling him a pussy & a biitch. I can't say I was a big fan, but he was one of my favoured fighters in the lower weight-classes.

The cut came from a punch, it should be a TKO. If he'd got caught by a headbutt or cut along the ropes, I'd fully support Montiel, but the fact is he got hit with a punch, panicked over the blood & when he & his corner realized that he was going to lose they pulled him out rather than risk it for a win. He did what Ortiz did, only difference is he got away without a loss. Montiel may be in a different class, but boxing is about everyone having a shot. Valdez took his & has been robbed of the reward.

Yeah asking for one more round really does show a lack of heart. Montiel has been cut before. And he's fought with eyes shut before. I seriously doubt he panicked. His concern was with Valdez constantly leading with his head. Which he was.

Maybe you watch a different fight than I did. But when exactly did Montiel corner try to pull him out? When exactly did they ask the doctor to stop it?

[Julius Rain]

Montiel showed his true colors

[ElTerribleMorales]

Montiel showed his true colors

yea, he showed that one more round and he would have knocked Valdez the fuck out, Mayol on the other hand showed he's a dirty little bugger managing to cut a fighter 5 inches shorter than him

[OumaFan]

Shit, I'm not even gonna get into whether he showed heart or not but Montiel was the one more likely to be knocked out in the next round, he was getting hammered, he was rattled, and that eye was closing.