Fernando Montiel Loss

[Galaxy]

I agree Montiel would have KO'd Valdez without the injury, but I'm not sure how likely a rematch will be... Montiel's gonna need time to heal, the bout was at Jr. Bantam so his trinket was safe, plus I think he'll be looking for bigger paydays once he's ready to go again! But it could be a good return fight for Fernando before stepping up with the added incentive of revenge

[OumaFan]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

[ElTerribleMorales]

IMO it's a bullshit win, and Montiel will murder Valdez in the rematch

[Violent Demise]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

[OumaFan]

Why should he have been penalized? He was a little rough but nothing he did warranted a penalty that early in the fight. He led with his head once and even then you can't say definitively that he did it on purpose, he was putting a lot of pressure on, shit happens. The second time Montiel complained about it I looked at it a few times and there is no way somebody could act like they can tell he was trying to butt him, in fact it doesn't look like that at all.


But the ref went along because apparently his job was to watch over Montiel. What's he doing in the second round after the KD? Didn't count, kind of helped him up for fuck's sake, gave him time to rest and recover, its bizarre.

I don't get the rule though, if you're ruled to have been cut by a punch (which he was but the ref missed it, not the end of the world its hard to tell in the heat of the moment) and the fight is stopped because of that before 4 rounds its supposed to be a TKO. But I read something where in Mexico if its stopped before four its a technical draw either way but then they say something about accidental fouls.

Either way Valdez should get an immediate rematch. Its impossible to say exactly what he would have done without the cut, it happened just over a minute in. Montiel was landing but he was never out on his feet and he was bringing a lot of pressure.

Anyway for those who haven't seen it, strange stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMfAs...eature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDqc0...eature=related

[OumaFan]

Apparently the ref didn't say whether it was caused by a punch or a headbutt. You kind of have to choose one, just be like Laurence Cole and ask the judges

[JazMerkin]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

Montiel showed a lack of heart & was helped up by the ref. If you had seen a British or US fighter doing that VD, you would of been calling him a pussy & a biitch. I can't say I was a big fan, but he was one of my favoured fighters in the lower weight-classes.

The cut came from a punch, it should be a TKO. If he'd got caught by a headbutt or cut along the ropes, I'd fully support Montiel, but the fact is he got hit with a punch, panicked over the blood & when he & his corner realized that he was going to lose they pulled him out rather than risk it for a win. He did what Ortiz did, only difference is he got away without a loss. Montiel may be in a different class, but boxing is about everyone having a shot. Valdez took his & has been robbed of the reward.

[Spicoli]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

Montiel showed a lack of heart & was helped up by the ref. If you had seen a British or US fighter doing that VD, you would of been calling him a pussy & a biitch. I can't say I was a big fan, but he was one of my favoured fighters in the lower weight-classes.

The cut came from a punch, it should be a TKO. If he'd got caught by a headbutt or cut along the ropes, I'd fully support Montiel, but the fact is he got hit with a punch, panicked over the blood & when he & his corner realized that he was going to lose they pulled him out rather than risk it for a win. He did what Ortiz did, only difference is he got away without a loss. Montiel may be in a different class, but boxing is about everyone having a shot. Valdez took his & has been robbed of the reward.

Finally had a chance to see it,thanks for the hook up Ouma.

Jaz bud,I really saw no lack of heart there man and certainly no panicked fighter searching for an exit.Any questions about Montiels heart can be most recently answered with a viewing of his under the radar brutal back and forth scrap with another lanky southpaw Melendez late last year.Hurt badly,cut up,swollen and and just plain mashed up, Montiel ignored D and KO'd legit hitter Montiel.From what I saw the man said next to nothing between rounds and was thoughly checked over,the cut was a frigging v shape but he continued to fight on.

I dont speak spanish but did see a hard jab land prior to 1st KD,only view was from behind at about 2:14 (?) and looks like the ref had his head in his arse.No ruling one way or the other.Also think he was shite after Montiel was dropped,very indesicive and bad time to check a cut.Bad officials,shady taste of favoritism but I didn't see Fernando 'looking' for a life line.Ortiz melted down,physically and mentally and opted out as a raw inexperienced prospect in his first big fire fight.There were some crappy circumstances sat night but it was not Montiels first venture into the hurt buisness.

[OumaFan]

I expect Montiel-Morel is finito now.

Anyway I'd like to see a rematch. Valdez deserves it whether he gets jacked up or not, he really brought it and took some good shots in the process. Of course the cut played a part but it happened so early that you can't say oh look Valdez looked like shit before, it was only the cut that made him look good, only about a minute had gone by, there wasn't enough to go by.

He doesn't look like much but was a fairly crisp puncher and Montiel's always a bit vulnerable, was a nice uppercut he landed.

[JazMerkin]

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

Montiel showed a lack of heart & was helped up by the ref. If you had seen a British or US fighter doing that VD, you would of been calling him a pussy & a biitch. I can't say I was a big fan, but he was one of my favoured fighters in the lower weight-classes.

The cut came from a punch, it should be a TKO. If he'd got caught by a headbutt or cut along the ropes, I'd fully support Montiel, but the fact is he got hit with a punch, panicked over the blood & when he & his corner realized that he was going to lose they pulled him out rather than risk it for a win. He did what Ortiz did, only difference is he got away without a loss. Montiel may be in a different class, but boxing is about everyone having a shot. Valdez took his & has been robbed of the reward.

Finally had a chance to see it,thanks for the hook up Ouma.

Jaz bud,I really saw no lack of heart there man and certainly no panicked fighter searching for an exit.Any questions about Montiels heart can be most recently answered with a viewing of his under the radar brutal back and forth scrap with another lanky southpaw Melendez late last year.Hurt badly,cut up,swollen and and just plain mashed up, Montiel ignored D and KO'd legit hitter Montiel.From what I saw the man said next to nothing between rounds and was thoughly checked over,the cut was a frigging v shape but he continued to fight on.

I dont speak spanish but did see a hard jab land prior to 1st KD,only view was from behind at about 2:14 (?) and looks like the ref had his head in his arse.No ruling one way or the other.Also think he was shite after Montiel was dropped,very indesicive and bad time to check a cut.Bad officials,shady taste of favoritism but I didn't see Fernando 'looking' for a life line.Ortiz melted down,physically and mentally and opted out as a raw inexperienced prospect in his first big fire fight.There were some crappy circumstances sat night but it was not Montiels first venture into the hurt buisness.

Mate, any questions about Nate Campbell's heart can be answered by almost any fight of his career, but after the Bradley fight I remember you implying he quit, which would is certainly far more defensible as it was a headbutt & he couldn't see. I more called it a lack of heart because so many defending him have accused others of the same, the difference being his cut came from a punch. Montiel didn't seem desperate to stay in the fight & the favouritism from the ref was shocking.

In all honesty, I don't think he lacks heart, I think very few guys who get between those ropes do, but I think it was a corrupt decision. I've no doubt Montiel beats him 99/100 times, but Valdez deserves credit for that 1/100 attempt.

All I'm saying is people need to have the same standards regardless of whether the fighter involved is one of their favourites, & that includes myself, so I will retract saying he lacks heart.

[Spicoli]

Montiel showed a lack of heart & was helped up by the ref. If you had seen a British or US fighter doing that VD, you would of been calling him a pussy & a biitch. I can't say I was a big fan, but he was one of my favoured fighters in the lower weight-classes.

The cut came from a punch, it should be a TKO. If he'd got caught by a headbutt or cut along the ropes, I'd fully support Montiel, but the fact is he got hit with a punch, panicked over the blood & when he & his corner realized that he was going to lose they pulled him out rather than risk it for a win. He did what Ortiz did, only difference is he got away without a loss. Montiel may be in a different class, but boxing is about everyone having a shot. Valdez took his & has been robbed of the reward.

Finally had a chance to see it,thanks for the hook up Ouma.

Jaz bud,I really saw no lack of heart there man and certainly no panicked fighter searching for an exit.Any questions about Montiels heart can be most recently answered with a viewing of his under the radar brutal back and forth scrap with another lanky southpaw Melendez late last year.Hurt badly,cut up,swollen and and just plain mashed up, Montiel ignored D and KO'd legit hitter Montiel.From what I saw the man said next to nothing between rounds and was thoughly checked over,the cut was a frigging v shape but he continued to fight on.

I dont speak spanish but did see a hard jab land prior to 1st KD,only view was from behind at about 2:14 (?) and looks like the ref had his head in his arse.No ruling one way or the other.Also think he was shite after Montiel was dropped,very indesicive and bad time to check a cut.Bad officials,shady taste of favoritism but I didn't see Fernando 'looking' for a life line.Ortiz melted down,physically and mentally and opted out as a raw inexperienced prospect in his first big fire fight.There were some crappy circumstances sat night but it was not Montiels first venture into the hurt buisness.

Mate, any questions about Nate Campbell's heart can be answered by almost any fight of his career, but after the Bradley fight I remember you implying he quit, which would is certainly far more defensible as it was a headbutt & he couldn't see. I more called it a lack of heart because so many defending him have accused others of the same, the difference being his cut came from a punch. Montiel didn't seem desperate to stay in the fight & the favouritism from the ref was shocking.

In all honesty, I don't think he lacks heart, I think very few guys who get between those ropes do, but I think it was a corrupt decision. I've no doubt Montiel beats him 99/100 times, but Valdez deserves credit for that 1/100 attempt.

All I'm saying is people need to have the same standards regardless of whether the fighter involved is one of their favourites, & that includes myself, so I will retract saying he lacks heart.

I can respect that dude,big time.I personally do believe they were different circumstances but at the end of the day two shit calls that leave a nasty taste in the fans mouth and results that should place two refs in the unemployment line.These two have been and will be favs of mine but I believe Nate did try to massage the circumstances even after ref clearly ruled it a punch...in error...twice.Checking the jumbo tron and only then going off.Sat night there was zero ruling,nattas,nothing and Montiel continued fighting on.He said nearly nothing in the corner while Dr checked him over,no politicing,bardering,ranting and unlike Nates fight the cut was the only factor in Dr stopping the fight between rounds.Nate cut had nothing to do with it.

We can agree,officials in both cases lacking.No one wants a cloud hanging over them like this,win or loss and its the fighters that have to shoulder the effects of crap calls while the very same officials rinse and repeat,getting ready for the next week.

[Violent Demise]

from the sound of it they're still trying to screw Valdez, its been ruled a technical draw again. I never liked Montiel anyway

How exactly are they screwing him? If anything Valdez should of been penalized. He was fighting dirty the whole fight. The doctor stopped the fight. Montiel was asking for one more round.

Montiel showed a lack of heart & was helped up by the ref. If you had seen a British or US fighter doing that VD, you would of been calling him a pussy & a biitch. I can't say I was a big fan, but he was one of my favoured fighters in the lower weight-classes.

The cut came from a punch, it should be a TKO. If he'd got caught by a headbutt or cut along the ropes, I'd fully support Montiel, but the fact is he got hit with a punch, panicked over the blood & when he & his corner realized that he was going to lose they pulled him out rather than risk it for a win. He did what Ortiz did, only difference is he got away without a loss. Montiel may be in a different class, but boxing is about everyone having a shot. Valdez took his & has been robbed of the reward.

Yeah asking for one more round really does show a lack of heart. Montiel has been cut before. And he's fought with eyes shut before. I seriously doubt he panicked. His concern was with Valdez constantly leading with his head. Which he was.

Maybe you watch a different fight than I did. But when exactly did Montiel corner try to pull him out? When exactly did they ask the doctor to stop it?