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    Quote Originally Posted by Kel View Post
    sounds like Floyd played it safe if he just kept him at range I'll have to download this farce later on.

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    I'm not saying weight was the only factor, but it definitely was A factor. Sure, Floyd outboxed him, but when was the last time we have seen Marquez so cautious and gun shy? He was clearly hesitant to let his hands go because he was wary of the bigger man's power. He looked completely intimidated by Floyd's size advantage if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    I'm not saying weight was the only factor, but it definitely was A factor. Sure, Floyd outboxed him, but when was the last time we have seen Marquez so cautious and gun shy? He was clearly hesitant to let his hands go because he was wary of the bigger man's power. He looked completely intimidated by Floyd's size advantage if you ask me.
    When was the last time Marquez fought someone that was not only faster then him but could outtime him. He fought faster guys like Pacquiao but he never fought another boxer that could outtime him as quick as Mayweather did that he couldnt hit. His gunshy had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight, he was trying to find a way to attack without getting countered, and he couldn't, he wanted to find a way to time Mayweather and he couldn't. His boxing and his timing are what make him Marquez. Mayweather took both away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    I'm not saying weight was the only factor, but it definitely was A factor. Sure, Floyd outboxed him, but when was the last time we have seen Marquez so cautious and gun shy? He was clearly hesitant to let his hands go because he was wary of the bigger man's power. He looked completely intimidated by Floyd's size advantage if you ask me.
    When was the last time Marquez fought someone that was not only faster then him but could outtime him. He fought faster guys like Pacquiao but he never fought another boxer that could outtime him as quick as Mayweather did that he couldnt hit. His gunshy had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight, he was trying to find a way to attack without getting countered, and he couldn't, he wanted to find a way to time Mayweather and he couldn't. His boxing and his timing are what make him Marquez. Mayweather took both away.
    That's not the point. Pac-man hit him plenty but he wasn't afraid of getting hit by him. Unless you're pyschic, i don't see how you can say how him being gunshy had nothing to do with the weight....maybe we should ask him......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    I'm not saying weight was the only factor, but it definitely was A factor. Sure, Floyd outboxed him, but when was the last time we have seen Marquez so cautious and gun shy? He was clearly hesitant to let his hands go because he was wary of the bigger man's power. He looked completely intimidated by Floyd's size advantage if you ask me.
    When was the last time Marquez fought someone that was not only faster then him but could outtime him. He fought faster guys like Pacquiao but he never fought another boxer that could outtime him as quick as Mayweather did that he couldnt hit. His gunshy had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight, he was trying to find a way to attack without getting countered, and he couldn't, he wanted to find a way to time Mayweather and he couldn't. His boxing and his timing are what make him Marquez. Mayweather took both away.
    That's not the point. Pac-man hit him plenty but he wasn't afraid of getting hit by him. Unless you're pyschic, i don't see how you can say how him being gunshy had nothing to do with the weight....maybe we should ask him......
    Marquez has already stated that he thought the weight was a difference. That and the speed. Marquez also said that if he had time to attune to the weight he would have done better.

    Mayweather dwarfed Marquez out there and probably hurt Marquez a lot more than Marquez could have hurt Mayweather. In that sense the weight which relates to size and power would clearly play into the hands of Mayweather.

    I don't see the point in defending Mayweathers win with all the variables stacked in his favour and him not weighing in correctly and then not even decaring what he weighed come fight night. They are shady antics that should not be tolerated again. It makes a mockery of boxing which gets a hard enough time as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by themacmagician View Post
    P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

    Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....
    Yeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.
    If you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.
    I agree after seeing this fight, people are delusional if they think Pac can beat Floyd. NO WAY. It will be another shut out. In fact, it is so predictable, the only reason to do the fight is because it is a mega event and all mega events in general are probably good for boxing as a sport.

    I agree it had nothing to do with Mayweather's weight, but it had all to do with Marquez's weight (or size to be more accurate). Floyd could have weighed any weight in the welterweight range and he would have beat Marquez, but Marquez shouldn't be fighting above 135 (maybe 140). What this fight proved was that Marquez has no chance against any elite welterweight. Marquez wouldn't last 7 rounds with Shane, Clottey, Berto, or Cotto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    I agree it had nothing to do with Mayweather's weight, but it had all to do with Marquez's weight (or size to be more accurate). Floyd could have weighed any weight in the welterweight range and he would have beat Marquez
    Money will play the same trick with Pac though! Dictate the weight to his own favour so he has the advantage months before they even step into the ring!

    Replace the word Marquez for Pac in the quote above and I can see it will be what we are saying post PBFvPac...

    PBF has form for engineering fights to suit him! He is a fantastic specimen of a boxer, but he shouldn't be allowed to ride rough-shod over the weight limits as he has done previously!

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