How do Americans feel about the way Native Americans were treated?

[El Kabong]

How do Imigrant Americans feel about the way the Native Americans have been treated over the years?

.....I think they got it a lot better than what the Spanish gave the Native Mexicans.....why the fuck does America always get the finger pointed at us?!?!?! How are the Aborigines treated by the Aussies now to this day And on another note how did you Brits treat the Irish

Sure the Indians got a raw deal, most native peoples did...doesn't make it right, but that is what happened in those times all around the world, doesn't make it better, but that was the norm of the day

[CGM]

How do Imigrant Americans feel about the way the Native Americans have been treated over the years?

.....I think they got it a lot better than what the Spanish gave the Native Mexicans.....why the fuck does America always get the finger pointed at us?!?!?! How are the Aborigines treated by the Aussies now to this day And on another note how did you Brits treat the Irish

Sure the Indians got a raw deal, most native peoples did...doesn't make it right, but that is what happened in those times all around the world, doesn't make it better, but that was the norm of the day

Don't think about America = USA. It's all of us. North/Central/South. You know, Things Like Canada and US of A are creations of the Europeans colonizers. I imagine you talk to any native indian, who is serious about heritage, and there's a good chance they don't give a rats ass. "Canada is not our Country, we are the Mohawks of North America!" I will always remember one First Nations leader say.

[AdamGB]

And on another note how did you Brits treat the Irish

Slightly different story there... struggling to see the relevance to this topic (or the harsh criticism you're reacting to for that matter)

[CFH]

And on another note how did you Brits treat the Irish

Slightly different story there... struggling to see the relevance to this topic (or the harsh criticism you're reacting to for that matter)

To be fair, some connections (particularly in early American history) can be drawn between the two people and the way in which the British viewed them (I've heard credible arguments that assert the Irish were worse of than the Natives during the 16th/17th century), but by and the situations are pretty dissimilar.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

And on another note how did you Brits treat the Irish

Slightly different story there... struggling to see the relevance to this topic (or the harsh criticism you're reacting to for that matter)

To be fair, some connections (particularly in early American history) can be drawn between the two people and the way in which the British viewed them (I've heard credible arguments that assert the Irish were worse of than the Natives during the 16th/17th century), but by and the situations are pretty dissimilar.

Indeed we a had something of a war but I don't recall it being policy to infect them with smallpox. Hitler would have been proud. And yes I do believe it a genocide.

[CFH]

Slightly different story there... struggling to see the relevance to this topic (or the harsh criticism you're reacting to for that matter)

To be fair, some connections (particularly in early American history) can be drawn between the two people and the way in which the British viewed them (I've heard credible arguments that assert the Irish were worse of than the Natives during the 16th/17th century), but by and the situations are pretty dissimilar.

Indeed we a had something of a war but I don't recall it being policy to infect them with smallpox. Hitler would have been proud. And yes I do believe it a genocide.

Whether or not Natives were ever intentionally infected with small-pox is a matter of scholarly debate. According to a professor of mine, who is an expert in early American history, there is only one primary source which describes such a event and it is far from an infallible one. The subject has come up a few times in classes I have had.

Furthermore, initially the Natives were seen as very child-like and uncivilized where as the Irish were seen almost as traitors and as such were treated much more harshly during that period.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

To be fair, some connections (particularly in early American history) can be drawn between the two people and the way in which the British viewed them (I've heard credible arguments that assert the Irish were worse of than the Natives during the 16th/17th century), but by and the situations are pretty dissimilar.

Indeed we a had something of a war but I don't recall it being policy to infect them with smallpox. Hitler would have been proud. And yes I do believe it a genocide.

Whether or not Natives were ever intentionally infected with small-pox is a matter of scholarly debate. According to a professor of mine, who is an expert in early American history, there is only one primary source which describes such a event and it is far from an infallible one. The subject has come up a few times in classes I have had.

Furthermore, initially the Natives were seen as very child-like and uncivilized where as the Irish were seen almost as traitors and as such were treated much more harshly during that period.

Um, don't think so....The Irish are still in Ireland aren't they? (& several claiming to be in NY)

There is documented discussion and acknowledgement of deliberately infecting the native.

Whether this was sanctioned at the highest level is unproven....but then again the only written 'evidence' of the final solution was the Wansee conference and that mainly talks about resettlement.

Of course Eichmans testamony fills in the gaps...

[El Kabong]

Missy the indians didn't have the same immune system as the europeans ergo they were more apt to have a tough time with small pox, etc. so maybe there were times the indians just got sick just because...I'm not saying the europeans never had the intention of doing evil to the indians, I'm just saying they probably killed their fair share without even trying.

Also I think it's a pretty fair assumption that if the indians had better weapons they would have killed off more Europeans and perhaps even gotten them out of the America's all together. I believe the vikings were held off by the indians.

I don't feel guilty about what happened with the Indians because I wasn't there, I had no part in it. Maybe I seem callous, but when hostile takeovers and "total war' were the norm of the day the plight of the north american indian is no different than the plight of many other indiginous peoples of that era.

[CFH]

Indeed we a had something of a war but I don't recall it being policy to infect them with smallpox. Hitler would have been proud. And yes I do believe it a genocide.

Whether or not Natives were ever intentionally infected with small-pox is a matter of scholarly debate. According to a professor of mine, who is an expert in early American history, there is only one primary source which describes such a event and it is far from an infallible one. The subject has come up a few times in classes I have had.

Furthermore, initially the Natives were seen as very child-like and uncivilized where as the Irish were seen almost as traitors and as such were treated much more harshly during that period.

Um, don't think so....The Irish are still in Ireland aren't they? (& several claiming to be in NY)

There is documented discussion and acknowledgement of deliberately infecting the native.

Whether this was sanctioned at the highest level is unproven....but then again the only written 'evidence' of the final solution was the Wansee conference and that mainly talks about resettlement.

Of course Eichmans testamony fills in the gaps...

What does that have to do with anything? The fact is the Irish were treated brutally during a time in which the Indigenous peoples of North America were not. I never said anything about the Irish being iradicated.

As for the smallpox, it is still a matter of debate. From what I know, there is some evidence that indicates it may have been done or may have been considered, but there is no proof that it ever actually took place (again, from what I know).

[porkypara]

How do Imigrant Americans feel about the way the Native Americans have been treated over the years?

.....I think they got it a lot better than what the Spanish gave the Native Mexicans.....why the fuck does America always get the finger pointed at us?!?!?! How are the Aborigines treated by the Aussies now to this day And on another note how did you Brits treat the Irish

Sure the Indians got a raw deal, most native peoples did...doesn't make it right, but that is what happened in those times all around the world, doesn't make it better, but that was the norm of the day

Calm down,Calm down(scouse accent).

Dont burst a blood vessel.

[El Kabong]

...I just don't like it when people act like America invented violence towards indigenous peoples and racism and slavery and all the evils of the world. And although it wasn't specifically stated, the implication irks me just as much

Historically the past isn't a kind point in time

[porkypara]

...I just don't like it when people act like America invented violence towards indigenous peoples and racism and slavery and all the evils of the world. And although it wasn't specifically stated, the implication irks me just as much

Historically the past isn't a kind point in time

I have not read in great detail but I dont think anybody has mentioned American violence towards indigenous people in this thread.

I think most western countrys have examples of great shame in there history and America is no different.
You seem to want to almost wash your hands of your history as if it did not happen.

For what its worth Britain has got a lot of blood on its hands this is a fact that I accept and regret but dont try and brush under the carpet.

[Spicoli]

Shameful.Kills me when there is such an uproar about immigration today...Illegal.Immagine if they had the guns and we did not.

[porkypara]

Shameful.Kills me when there is such an uproar about immigration today...Illegal.Immagine if they had the guns and we did not.

Sorry if I am being a bit stupid but I am not quiet sure what you mean by that.

Can you expand.

[OumaFan]

Shameful.Kills me when there is such an uproar about immigration today...Illegal.Immagine if they had the guns and we did not.

Sorry if I am being a bit stupid but I am not quiet sure what you mean by that.

Can you expand.

He's talking about white Americans being upset about illegal immigration these days, they're taking our country away, etc., etc., which I'm sure native Americans do find kind of funny.

I've always thought the whole topic was strangely glossed over, its an ugly ugly history for sure, but slavery and civil rights probably took some of the attention away from it.