Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

[sumkalambay]

Hopkins is greater than PBF, like it or not.

he has the better resume and showed the same level of ring dominance.

[JT Rock]

Hopkins is greater than PBF, like it or not.

he has the better resume and showed the same level of ring dominance.

I guess you somehow dispute the above referenced validity Hopkins biggest wins over significantly smaller guys?

I think Nard had a great career and I appreciate all he has done, but I am barking up his tree to illustrate how Floyd is getting ripped on for fighting Hatton and JMM and then all of a sudden given the circumstances involved he is labeled as a big mean school yard bully who only picks on smaller fighters?

Yet Hopkins did it at just about every big fight in his career. Just dosent add up and thats all I was pointing out.

[sumkalambay]

he still dominated Johnson and Tarver.

trinidad actually proved himself a top fighter by whooping Joppy. the hopkins-trinidad fight is as good as the sweet science gets.

[JT Rock]

he still dominated Johnson and Tarver.

trinidad actually proved himself a top fighter by whooping Joppy. the hopkins-trinidad fight is as good as the sweet science gets.

Certainly your not going to suggest Tito at 160 was anywere near the hall of Fame legacy he forged at 147 are you?

Tarver got Karma in his face by being drained from a heavy in Rocky Balboa.

Glen Johnson wasnt nearly as good at 160 than he was at 175 either..Glen was a construction worker/slash boxer until he got his big break against Jones

I would actually favor Johnson over Hop now at 175 based on Glens chin, workrate and constant pressure. Hop trying to spoil on the inside wouldnt deter Glen since he likes it messy on the inside. Hopkins enemic output would be his demise against Johnsons aggression and volume

[sumkalambay]

first off.. hopkins beats Glen Johnson at MW and LHW. and you're right, Glen Johnson the LHW is a much better fighter than the MW version.

and trinidad obviously forged his HOF career at 147.. he's one of the greats of that weight. i'm saying he was a good fighter at MW.

Tarver was a legitimate win. weight-drained or not.

[JT Rock]

first off.. hopkins beats Glen Johnson at MW and LHW. and you're right, Glen Johnson the LHW is a much better fighter than the MW version.

and trinidad obviously forged his HOF career at 147.. he's one of the greats of that weight. i'm saying he was a good fighter at MW.

Tarver was a legitimate win. weight-drained or not.

Yes I realize that... I am the one who pointed it out

[ElTerribleMorales]

he still dominated Johnson and Tarver.

trinidad actually proved himself a top fighter by whooping Joppy. the hopkins-trinidad fight is as good as the sweet science gets.

Certainly your not going to suggest Tito at 160 was anywere near the hall of Fame legacy he forged at 147 are you?

Tarver got Karma in his face by being drained from a heavy in Rocky Balboa.

Glen Johnson wasnt nearly as good at 160 than he was at 175 either..Glen was a construction worker/slash boxer until he got his big break against Jones

I would actually favor Johnson over Hop now at 175 based on Glens chin, workrate and constant pressure. Hop trying to spoil on the inside wouldnt deter Glen since he likes it messy on the inside. Hopkins enemic output would be his demise against Johnsons aggression and volume

dude don't try to downplay Hopkins' wins cause it'll come back to bite you in the ass, mainly cause it can easily be done with Mayweather

Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez, and Castillo weren't at their peak when Mayweather took them on (Chavez & Hernandez still hadn't won titles, and Castillo although he should have a win over Mayweather wasn't the fighter that basically owned the lightweight division till his fight with Corrales)
Corley had already lost to Judah, Gatti already shot, Mitchell was already way past it, Judah had already lost to Baldomir, do i believe any of that crap, no, but it can easily be implicated

[JT Rock]

he still dominated Johnson and Tarver.

trinidad actually proved himself a top fighter by whooping Joppy. the hopkins-trinidad fight is as good as the sweet science gets.

Certainly your not going to suggest Tito at 160 was anywere near the hall of Fame legacy he forged at 147 are you?

Tarver got Karma in his face by being drained from a heavy in Rocky Balboa.

Glen Johnson wasnt nearly as good at 160 than he was at 175 either..Glen was a construction worker/slash boxer until he got his big break against Jones

I would actually favor Johnson over Hop now at 175 based on Glens chin, workrate and constant pressure. Hop trying to spoil on the inside wouldnt deter Glen since he likes it messy on the inside. Hopkins enemic output would be his demise against Johnsons aggression and volume

dude don't try to downplay Hopkins' wins cause it'll come back to bite you in the ass, mainly cause it can easily be done with Mayweather

Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez, and Castillo weren't at their peak when Mayweather took them on (Chavez & Hernandez still hadn't won titles, and Castillo although he should have a win over Mayweather wasn't the fighter that basically owned the lightweight division till his fight with Corrales)
Corley had already lost to Judah, Gatti already shot, Mitchell was already way past it, Judah had already lost to Baldomir, do i believe any of that crap, no, but it can easily be implicated

1st and foremost your way off point here, no one is discrediting Hopkins wins, for the upteenth time I am drawing a comparison and pointing out that you cant label Mayweather as a guy who all of a sudden has made a habit out of fighting smaller guys, when Hops biggest wins were against undersized opponents, you cant escape that reality its truthful factual information.

Then you are spouting off all the guys Floyd fought and are rambling on about how they werent this or that, when it reality Floyd beat those guys WHO WERE HIS OWN SIZE OR BIGGER THAN HIM, then you are using severly delusional hindsight to say they didnt do this that or the other thing till after Floyd.

Go ahead dude put your money were your mouth is and make a whole new thread out on the main board and knock Mayweathers wins against Castillo, Corrales, Chavez etc. and see what kind of responses you'll get. I'll be sure to wear kevlar boxers so I dont get bit in the ass to bad

[Pugilistic]

Hopkins is greater than PBF, like it or not.

he has the better resume and showed the same level of ring dominance.

I guess you somehow dispute the above referenced validity Hopkins biggest wins over significantly smaller guys?

I think Nard had a great career and I appreciate all he has done, but I am barking up his tree to illustrate how Floyd is getting ripped on for fighting Hatton and JMM and then all of a sudden given the circumstances involved he is labeled as a big mean school yard bully who only picks on smaller fighters?

Yet Hopkins did it at just about every big fight in his career. Just dosent add up and thats all I was pointing out.

I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.

[Julius Rain]

Hopkins is greater than PBF, like it or not.

he has the better resume and showed the same level of ring dominance.

I guess you somehow dispute the above referenced validity Hopkins biggest wins over significantly smaller guys?

I think Nard had a great career and I appreciate all he has done, but I am barking up his tree to illustrate how Floyd is getting ripped on for fighting Hatton and JMM and then all of a sudden given the circumstances involved he is labeled as a big mean school yard bully who only picks on smaller fighters?

Yet Hopkins did it at just about every big fight in his career. Just dosent add up and thats all I was pointing out.

I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.

plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.

[JT Rock]

I guess you somehow dispute the above referenced validity Hopkins biggest wins over significantly smaller guys?

I think Nard had a great career and I appreciate all he has done, but I am barking up his tree to illustrate how Floyd is getting ripped on for fighting Hatton and JMM and then all of a sudden given the circumstances involved he is labeled as a big mean school yard bully who only picks on smaller fighters?

Yet Hopkins did it at just about every big fight in his career. Just dosent add up and thats all I was pointing out.

I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.

plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.

Thats quite an oxymoron Rains.. The whole premise of this conversation was to draw an illustration of how Floyd is all of a sudden fighting nothing but smaller fighters. So what your implying is Floyd is doing nothing wrong as long as he keeps fighting smaller guys coming up in weight like Hopkins

Again its foolish to try and compare a severly lacking Middleweight division that BHop ruled than the golden Era of the 140's today.

Point being you cant rake on Floyd for fighting 2 guys back to back that were not Welters and than laud Hop for doing it. Sorry dosent add up, any way you spin it, undeniably Hops biggest wins were against guys that were naturally smaller than him.

I am not tainting Hop's career he deserves all of his due and accolades, I'm just making a comparison on how its a blatant double standard

[Spicoli]

Tito going in total different direction from JMM with added weight & had legitimized himself at Middle with destruction of Champion Joppy....also I'm sure he was actually the favorite going in vs. Hopkins with a match with Roy Jones waiting in the wings.

[JT Rock]

Tito going in total different direction from JMM with added weight & had legitimized himself at Middle with destruction of Champion Joppy....also I'm sure he was actually the favorite going in vs. Hopkins with a match with Roy Jones waiting in the wings.

seriously am I on another Fukin planet here? This isint about JMM, this is about how ALL OF YOUR GUYS REPOITRE of hate has the addition now of how Floyd is a guy who only fights Small guys So maybe Trinidad wasnt the best example, but now we'll ignore

Wright
Pavlik
Dlh
Calzaghe, who beat Hopkins.

etc.

I cant believe of all people Spicoli I gotta hammer this home repetitively to get you off of my ass too... Big deal he fought JMM after 21 months out of the ring, it was a comeback fight a litmus test for chrise sakes. then before that he took a bizillion dollar dream fight against Hatton, which for the preceding years was one of the most heated debates of this decade over who would win, this was a HUGE FIGHT WORLDWIDE... You guys were right though he should have skipped on all of that and fought Margarito who just had got beaten by a prospect at the time Paul Williams(using elterriblemorrales logic here since it seems to be the only thing working for all of you) or Cotto who already had a fight lined up with Mosely who all of you think he should have fought too even though they were both contracted to fight each other

Prior to all of that Floyd gave up size plenty.. Look at his career its littered with it

[Julius Rain]

I don't recall Hopkins accusing Mayweather as a fighter picking on smaller fighters.

In most of Hopkins big fights he was the underdog so i don't understand how you can accuse him of picking on smaller fighters when he wasn't supposed to beat them.

For example Trinidad,Wright and Pavlik were the favourites to beat Hopkins.

Trinidad was supposed to ko Hopkins, instead all he got was a 12 round schooling and his ass sent into retirement. That was when the weight excuses came along.

Wright was supposed to have too much workrate for the 42 year old Hopkins to deal with but instead Hopkins ends up outworking Wright to a close but clear decision. The weight excuse didn't come along till \wright had an L in his loss column.

Pavlik was supposed to have too much pressure and power for the old man Hopkins to handle but instead Pavlik gets the biggest ass whooping in his career and loses by a pure shut out. surprise surprise people mention how Pavlik shouldn't of moved up to 170 when it wasn't a problem before the fight no ? Pavlik's bad performance had nothing to do with the fact that Hopkins used lateral movement, constant angles, his sharp defense, quick counters and superior handspeed to totally stun Pavlik. no it wasn't was it.

Then there's the DLH fight who i am willing to admit wasn't the fair fight as Hopkins was simply too big for Oscar. One thing people due tend to forget though, is that they fought at a catchweight of 156 which was only two pounds shy of where DLH was natural at..... at that stage of his career.

then once you include his big win over Tarver ( he was weight drained right ? ), that wasn't the case before though as Tarver was the clear favourite to win.

After all of that include solid wins over Eastman, Echols, Lipsey and Johnson and you got a man with a great career.

plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.

Thats quite an oxymoron Rains.. The whole premise of this conversation was to draw an illustration of how Floyd is all of a sudden fighting nothing but smaller fighters. So what your implying is Floyd is doing nothing wrong as long as he keeps fighting smaller guys coming up in weight like Hopkins

Again its foolish to try and compare a severly lacking Middleweight division that BHop ruled than the golden Era of the 140's today.

Point being you cant rake on Floyd for fighting 2 guys back to back that were not Welters and than laud Hop for doing it. Sorry dosent add up, any way you spin it, undeniably Hops biggest wins were against guys that were naturally smaller than him.

I am not tainting Hop's career he deserves all of his due and accolades, I'm just making a comparison on how its a blatant double standard

so your going with the excuse that the welter is at a golden era so that gives floyd the reason not to try clear up the division? What I was saying is it wouldnt be a bad thing if floyd had cleared up 147, like what bhop did with the middleweight division. Fighting smaller fighters who come to him at 147 after clearing up his division or atleast have 1 or 2 fights in the direction of clearing it up would be all good. Not how his doing it now, showing no effort to clear up what you say is a golden era of the welters but declaring himself atg by picking on smaller fighters.

Would be interesting to see who floyd fights next.

Lesser fighter but bigger guys then JMM did better then JMM against floyd, but weight had nothing to do with the results still right?

[JT Rock]

plus bhop dominated his division, has floyd? bhop may have taken on smaller fighters then him but he took care of business unlike floyd. floyds division is filled with threats he aint have the balls to take care of.

Thats quite an oxymoron Rains.. The whole premise of this conversation was to draw an illustration of how Floyd is all of a sudden fighting nothing but smaller fighters. So what your implying is Floyd is doing nothing wrong as long as he keeps fighting smaller guys coming up in weight like Hopkins

Again its foolish to try and compare a severly lacking Middleweight division that BHop ruled than the golden Era of the 140's today.

Point being you cant rake on Floyd for fighting 2 guys back to back that were not Welters and than laud Hop for doing it. Sorry dosent add up, any way you spin it, undeniably Hops biggest wins were against guys that were naturally smaller than him.

I am not tainting Hop's career he deserves all of his due and accolades, I'm just making a comparison on how its a blatant double standard

so your going with the excuse that the welter is at a golden era so that gives floyd the reason not to try clear up the division? What I was saying is it wouldnt be a bad thing if floyd had cleared up 147, like what bhop did with the middleweight division. Fighting smaller fighters who come to him at 147 after clearing up his division or atleast have 1 or 2 fights in the direction of clearing it up would be all good. Not how his doing it now, showing no effort to clear up what you say is a golden era of the welters but declaring himself atg by picking on smaller fighters.

Would be interesting to see who floyd fights next.

Lesser fighter but bigger guys then JMM did better then JMM against floyd, but weight had nothing to do with the results still right?

I went on record as saying if 1-2 fights from now if Floyd is fighting Michael Katsidis and Humberto Soto, than yea he is an idiot and will lose my respect.Given the circumstances of his 2 megafights against DLH and Hatton, coupled with a comeback fight against JMM, give the guy a break already. Its clearly obvious that he is going to fight Mosely and if victorious then the winner of Pac vs Cotto. What more could you ask for?