What do you think Mayweather weighed on fight night ?

[Julius Rain]

Are you kidding me? What evidence was there that Mayweather was bigger than he used to be? There is no way he was even 155. He isn't a natural WW. The most he puts on for a fight is 6 pounds, and that was back at 130. He probably came in at 150-152. He's bigger than Manny and Marquez, but not by much, and he certainly is a lot smaller than Mosley or Margarito or Cotto, the same amount smaller than them as Marquez is smaller than Floyd. 155 would be the absolute most he could have weighed, and he didn't use size at all against Marquez. It was all speed and defensive skill.

There was a big size difference in the ring. Watch the fight again. There isn't only one way to use size as an advantage. Floyd doesn't use his size like Vitali or Vlad use their size, but size played a big role in that fight, it just wasn't his, it was Marquez's size. Marquez was too small to get anywhere near Floyd. Why was DLH much more effective against Floyd?

Why couldn't Floyd meet the contracted weight of 144 if he isn't a natural welterweight?

Why has Floyd fought at the welterweight limit for the last five years if he is a natural junior welterweight?

Yea i dont think anybody is buying the bs teath and other floyd fans are saying that floyds not a natural welterweight. That Foo is a natural welterweight. JMM and Pac aren't, now those two really aren't natural welterweights.

Imagine how long has it been since floyd fought at 135, JMMs last fight was at 135 less than a year ago. JMM would of been stopped by other welterweights.

[uptoscratch]

Yea i dont think anybody is buying the bs teath and other floyd fans are saying that floyds not a natural welterweight. That Foo is a natural welterweight. JMM and Pac aren't, now those two really aren't natural welterweights.

Imagine how long has it been since floyd fought at 135, JMMs last fight was at 135 less than a year ago. JMM would of been stopped by other welterweights.

I saw Doug Fischer making the same stupid argument on his blog. Floyd's critics are so eager to downplay his win that they are making mutually exclusive arguments -- either Floyd should have knocked out Marquez, or he was so much bigger that Marquez had no chance. But it can't be both.

Floyd (you say) is a full-size, natural welterweight. Any other welterweight (you say) would have knocked Marquez out.

But the fact is, Floyd landed almost 60 percent of 177 power punches on Marquez. There's no way any average welter was going to land more than that. Mayweather, a "full-size" welterweight, couldn't knock him out despite landing more punches on him than has ever been landed on Juan Manuel Marquez in a prizefight.

There are only two valid conclusions: 1: Marquez is just a tough SOB who wasn't going down to anyone that night, or 2: the size and strength matchup was closer than Floyd's critics have portrayed.

Anyone that is trying to have it both ways just reveals their biases.

[Rantcatrat]

Yea i dont think anybody is buying the bs teath and other floyd fans are saying that floyds not a natural welterweight. That Foo is a natural welterweight. JMM and Pac aren't, now those two really aren't natural welterweights.

Imagine how long has it been since floyd fought at 135, JMMs last fight was at 135 less than a year ago. JMM would of been stopped by other welterweights.

I saw Doug Fischer making the same stupid argument on his blog. Floyd's critics are so eager to downplay his win that they are making mutually exclusive arguments -- either Floyd should have knocked out Marquez, or he was so much bigger that Marquez had no chance. But it can't be both.

Floyd (you say) is a full-size, natural welterweight. Any other welterweight (you say) would have knocked Marquez out.

But the fact is, Floyd landed almost 60 percent of 177 power punches on Marquez. There's no way any average welter was going to land more than that. Mayweather, a "full-size" welterweight, couldn't knock him out despite landing more punches on him than has ever been landed on Juan Manuel Marquez in a prizefight.

There are only two valid conclusions: 1: Marquez is just a tough SOB who wasn't going down to anyone that night, or 2: the size and strength matchup was closer than Floyd's critics have portrayed.

Anyone that is trying to have it both ways just reveals their biases.

At the end of the day, Floyd is great, there is no doubt about it. However, I speak for myself and a lot of other boxing fans who believe it is not too much to ask that the p4p #1 boxer should act like one. This means overcoming physical disadvantages in the ring rather than have the physical advantages in the ring. This means unifying titles in divisions. This means beating other p4p fighters in their prime. Boxing at its best is like a battle in war in that it requires overcoming the odds and rising above adversity to win. When winning is expected, when the match isn't a challenge anymore, when there isn't a shred of vulnerability, boxing loses some of its luster. Pacquiao is held in such high esteem because for the last three fights he has come into the fights at a physical disadvantage...and prevailed. That is why he is adored and why he will continue to be adored, even if he loses.

[uptoscratch]

Pacquiao is held in such high esteem because for the last three fights he has come into the fights at a physical disadvantage...and prevailed. That is why he is adored and why he will continue to be adored, even if he loses.

I have to question the lucidity of anyone who thought Manny was at a physical disadvantage in his fight with Oscar, who was so drained that he came off the unofficial scales weighing less than Manny, if you recall.

I don't know where the idea comes from that being a PFP great means you can only fight men who are bigger than you. Sugar Ray Robinson fought some guys that were bigger and some that were smaller than him.

Both Floyd against Marquez and Pac against De La Hoya enjoyed significant physical advantages. Even accounting for those advantages, they both dominated world-class opposition in impressive, skillful fashion -- that's what being a PFP great means.