MAyweather 4th all time in PPV sales

[piye]

I am not dissing Mayweather (though my dislike for him is quite notorious, I gotta admit), I was simply answering the part where he says that he doesn't see any other boxing star at the moment dragging such a big crowd. Sure, it is good for boxing, if even the boxer I strongly dislikes can drag new amateurs it is damn good, new blood to share the love of the sport with and new people to disagree and agree with, I just found that he was going a bit far saying that no other stars at the moment can bring such big ppv on the table, that is all. Thus said, sorry if my post was confusing or something, my sole intention was to underline that Floyd wasn't the biggest drag in at the gate at the moment.

I agree with that apart from the last sentence. I do think right now he is the biggest star in terms of bringing 'casual' fans in, although the Pacquiao/Cotto fight will tell us a lot about how close he & Pac are in terms of doing that. I would certainly say Pac has a bigger hardcore fanbase, but I think their respective numbers against the same opponents show Floyd is the bigger 'draw'. I do think they are the only 2 currently transcending the sport in any way, although Cotto is not far off & I suspect he does the same should he beat Manny.

I am not sure Jaz, I think that Pacman has the hand over as well on the casual fan because of the excitement he smears all around, as it as been quoted below, I think that Floyd got a bit more excitement and used to sell a bit more because of the 24/7 and because of the way he got into rangeview with the WWE, Dancing with the stars etc. I still agree and am willing to admit that he drags more than what I wanted to say or think but still not enough to be compared to the Pacman in term of rentability and popularity. Not yet.

Your talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.

[piye]

Boxing's Top Pay Per View Attractions

1. Oscar De La Hoya - $610.6 million on 12.6 million buys (18 events)
2. Mike Tyson - $545 million on 12.4 million buys (12 events)
3. Evander Holyfield - $543 million on 12.6 million buys (14 events)
4. Floyd Mayweather $355 Million Dollars on 7.15 Million Buys (6 events)

##(pre 9/19/09)
Floyd Mayweather $303 Million Dollars on 6.15 Million Buys (5 events)

(post 9/19/2009)
Floyd Mayweather $355 Million Dollars on 7.15 Million Buys (6 events)

[generalbulldog]

I agree with that apart from the last sentence. I do think right now he is the biggest star in terms of bringing 'casual' fans in, although the Pacquiao/Cotto fight will tell us a lot about how close he & Pac are in terms of doing that. I would certainly say Pac has a bigger hardcore fanbase, but I think their respective numbers against the same opponents show Floyd is the bigger 'draw'. I do think they are the only 2 currently transcending the sport in any way, although Cotto is not far off & I suspect he does the same should he beat Manny.

I am not sure Jaz, I think that Pacman has the hand over as well on the casual fan because of the excitement he smears all around, as it as been quoted below, I think that Floyd got a bit more excitement and used to sell a bit more because of the 24/7 and because of the way he got into rangeview with the WWE, Dancing with the stars etc. I still agree and am willing to admit that he drags more than what I wanted to say or think but still not enough to be compared to the Pacman in term of rentability and popularity. Not yet.

Your talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.

Cotto is not a huge draw and neither is Pac. Margarito/Cotto if I'm not mistaken did less than 500,000 ppv buys. Pac-Diaz did less than 200,000 ppv buys. The U.S. general public doesn't know who they are. Hell even quite a lot of US boxing fans don't even know who they are. They are seen as 2 foreign and unknown fighters. It's mainly hardcore boxing fans that know who they are.

[piye]

I am not sure Jaz, I think that Pacman has the hand over as well on the casual fan because of the excitement he smears all around, as it as been quoted below, I think that Floyd got a bit more excitement and used to sell a bit more because of the 24/7 and because of the way he got into rangeview with the WWE, Dancing with the stars etc. I still agree and am willing to admit that he drags more than what I wanted to say or think but still not enough to be compared to the Pacman in term of rentability and popularity. Not yet.

Your talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.

Cotto is not a huge draw and neither is Pac. Margarito/Cotto if I'm not mistaken did less than 500,000 ppv buys. Pac-Diaz did less than 200,000 ppv buys. The U.S. general public doesn't know who they are. Hell even quite a lot of US boxing fans don't even know who they are. They are seen as 2 foreign and unknown fighters. It's mainly hardcore boxing fans that know who they are.

Wow I did not know that the Pac diaz fight did not sell, But since then he's been in two big fights against Oscar and against Hatton surely he's a big draw now? and Cotto Is a big draw at the gate anyway if not PPV.

[generalbulldog]

Your talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.

Cotto is not a huge draw and neither is Pac. Margarito/Cotto if I'm not mistaken did less than 500,000 ppv buys. Pac-Diaz did less than 200,000 ppv buys. The U.S. general public doesn't know who they are. Hell even quite a lot of US boxing fans don't even know who they are. They are seen as 2 foreign and unknown fighters. It's mainly hardcore boxing fans that know who they are.

Wow I did not know that the Pac diaz fight did not sell, But since then he's been in two big fights against Oscar and against Hatton surely he's a big draw now? and Cotto Is a big draw at the gate anyway if not PPV.

Hatton became somewhat known in U.S. boxing circles after his fight with Floyd, and imo he was the reason why Pac-Cotto did 800,000+ ppv fights (there are a lot of British expats in the US also), De La Hoya was the main reason why DLH-Pac did 1.3 million buys not Pac. Pac by his name alone against other fighters did very poor numbers, I forgot what the exact ppv numbers were for Pac-Marquez 2, Pac-Mab 2, Pac-Morales 1-3, but they all did poor sales for an alleged superstar. Pac is a superstar in boxing, but that's it, he doesn't have widespread appeal to the American general public, same with Cotto, the Cotto-Pac fight may not even do 500,000 PPVs.

[piye]

Cotto is not a huge draw and neither is Pac. Margarito/Cotto if I'm not mistaken did less than 500,000 ppv buys. Pac-Diaz did less than 200,000 ppv buys. The U.S. general public doesn't know who they are. Hell even quite a lot of US boxing fans don't even know who they are. They are seen as 2 foreign and unknown fighters. It's mainly hardcore boxing fans that know who they are.

Wow I did not know that the Pac diaz fight did not sell, But since then he's been in two big fights against Oscar and against Hatton surely he's a big draw now? and Cotto Is a big draw at the gate anyway if not PPV.

Hatton became somewhat known in U.S. boxing circles after his fight with Floyd, and imo he was the reason why Pac-Cotto did 800,000+ ppv fights (there are a lot of British expats in the US also), De La Hoya was the main reason why DLH-Pac did 1.3 million buys not Pac. Pac by his name alone against other fighters did very poor numbers, I forgot what the exact ppv numbers were for Pac-Marquez 2, Pac-Mab 2, Pac-Morales 1-3, but they all did poor sales for an alleged superstar. Pac is a superstar in boxing, but that's it, he doesn't have widespread appeal to the American general public, same with Cotto, the Cotto-Pac fight may not even do 500,000 PPVs.

I think it'll do more than that, well I hope anyway. having two huge PPV stars in boxing is good for the bussiness! and is the only hope of a fight ever replacing Mayweather V DLH atop the PPV rankings.

[Majesty]

See here is the thing.

Why do people see "casual" fans as a negative?

When we all got into boxing we were casual fans as compared to the others who watched boxing for years and it was usually one boxer that got us into it that we started watching. Not everyone who watches boxing can be in it for years because eventually you need to bring in new viewers.

People need to stop trying to monopolize boxing in what they want it to be and when it isn't they call it a bad sign. Why? Because it isn't your vision of what boxing should be? Start thinking of boxing as a business, as a business it knows that we can't be there forever, the people that watched it for years cannot be the ONLY number or demographic tuning into boxing, if boxing counted on only us it would be screwed. Boxing NEEDS to bring in new viewers asap to keep business running smoothly.

That is why both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are so important to boxing, because they bring in many casual boxing fans, sure some can be annoying to us that have watched boxing for years because of their lack of understanding of things, but regardless, it is what boxing needs.

Boxing needs to bring in more casual fans and Mayweather has done a WONDERFUL job of doing that. He branched out to other venues during his retirement getting his name out there and putting boxing wherever he was concerned back on the map. And I must say he couldn't have picked a more perfect time.

You should have seen the internet, we had so many journalists, come even claiming they worked for boxing sites(now working for MMA sites) saying how boxing is dead and Mayweather couldn't revive it and all this other crap and cra. But you know what, thanks to those casual viewers, Boxing just got 1 mill in PPV buys proving it isnt and shutting any detractors up and we have Mayweather and his genius of a marketing mind do that.

Whether you like it or not Mayweather brings in a lot of casual fans nowadays and apparently more then Pacquiao does. Whether or not you see it as a bad sign is irrelevant, boxing NEEDS more casual viewers to get into the sport as a whole if they want to keep business going and that's just how it is.

[generalbulldog]

See here is the thing.

Why do people see "casual" fans as a negative?

When we all got into boxing we were casual fans as compared to the others who watched boxing for years and it was usually one boxer that got us into it that we started watching. Not everyone who watches boxing can be in it for years because eventually you need to bring in new viewers.

People need to stop trying to monopolize boxing in what they want it to be and when it isn't they call it a bad sign. Why? Because it isn't your vision of what boxing should be? Start thinking of boxing as a business, as a business it knows that we can't be there forever, the people that watched it for years cannot be the ONLY number or demographic tuning into boxing, if boxing counted on only us it would be screwed. Boxing NEEDS to bring in new viewers asap to keep business running smoothly.

That is why both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are so important to boxing, because they bring in many casual boxing fans, sure some can be annoying to us that have watched boxing for years because of their lack of understanding of things, but regardless, it is what boxing needs.

Boxing needs to bring in more casual fans and Mayweather has done a WONDERFUL job of doing that. He branched out to other venues during his retirement getting his name out there and putting boxing wherever he was concerned back on the map. And I must say he couldn't have picked a more perfect time.

You should have seen the internet, we had so many journalists, come even claiming they worked for boxing sites(now working for MMA sites) saying how boxing is dead and Mayweather couldn't revive it and all this other crap and cra. But you know what, thanks to those casual viewers, Boxing just got 1 mill in PPV buys proving it isnt and shutting any detractors up and we have Mayweather and his genius of a marketing mind do that.

Whether you like it or not Mayweather brings in a lot of casual fans nowadays and apparently more then Pacquiao does. Whether or not you see it as a bad sign is irrelevant, boxing NEEDS more casual viewers to get into the sport as a whole if they want to keep business going and that's just how it is.

Of course boxing needs casual viewers to replenish and build their fan base, but most of the young talent isn't shown enough on regular local tv or basic cable, it seems that the premium channels like HBO and Showtime have monopolize this for years. I remember 10 years ago I saw Juan Manuel Marquez fighting on local tv, I still remember when Tyson came out of prison and his fight against Buster Mathis was shown on regular Fox channel. Boxing needs to do things like that like have good talent on regular local tv or have the one really good fight to reach an wider audience. Yes we do have the internet, but tv is also important. I mean other sports like MLB, NBA, NFL, you can watch their best talents for free, but boxing you have to pay at least some sort of service to watch them. WHich is a bad business model to attract those casual viewer who will then become hardcore fans.

[Nameless]

I agree with that apart from the last sentence. I do think right now he is the biggest star in terms of bringing 'casual' fans in, although the Pacquiao/Cotto fight will tell us a lot about how close he & Pac are in terms of doing that. I would certainly say Pac has a bigger hardcore fanbase, but I think their respective numbers against the same opponents show Floyd is the bigger 'draw'. I do think they are the only 2 currently transcending the sport in any way, although Cotto is not far off & I suspect he does the same should he beat Manny.

I am not sure Jaz, I think that Pacman has the hand over as well on the casual fan because of the excitement he smears all around, as it as been quoted below, I think that Floyd got a bit more excitement and used to sell a bit more because of the 24/7 and because of the way he got into rangeview with the WWE, Dancing with the stars etc. I still agree and am willing to admit that he drags more than what I wanted to say or think but still not enough to be compared to the Pacman in term of rentability and popularity. Not yet.

Your talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.

First of all, can I know where do come from your numbers? Not that I call you a liar or something but when I get handed a huge list of numbers, I would like to know the source in order to see if they are viable, fictive or exaggerate so the source would be greatly appreciated.
Second, you cannot compare one second the number when Pacman fought Marquez and when he fought Mayweather as it is 2 VERY different situations: At the time, there has been no 24/7 to hype the fight and such tv shows are just SOOO much of a boost, would Pacman va Marquez been hyped that way, you can be 100% assured that the numbers would have been a lot bigger.
Third, If these numbers which you state are real and accurate, well, I just made a mistake and overlook Mayweather popularity or ability to drag peoples who want to see him lose and you won't ever see me saying Mayweather doesn't drag publicity and a crowd

[piye]

I am not sure Jaz, I think that Pacman has the hand over as well on the casual fan because of the excitement he smears all around, as it as been quoted below, I think that Floyd got a bit more excitement and used to sell a bit more because of the 24/7 and because of the way he got into rangeview with the WWE, Dancing with the stars etc. I still agree and am willing to admit that he drags more than what I wanted to say or think but still not enough to be compared to the Pacman in term of rentability and popularity. Not yet.

Your talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.

First of all, can I know where do come from your numbers? Not that I call you a liar or something but when I get handed a huge list of numbers, I would like to know the source in order to see if they are viable, fictive or exaggerate so the source would be greatly appreciated.
Second, you cannot compare one second the number when Pacman fought Marquez and when he fought Mayweather as it is 2 VERY different situations: At the time, there has been no 24/7 to hype the fight and such tv shows are just SOOO much of a boost, would Pacman va Marquez been hyped that way, you can be 100% assured that the numbers would have been a lot bigger.
Third, If these numbers which you state are real and accurate, well, I just made a mistake and overlook Mayweather popularity or ability to drag peoples who want to see him lose and you won't ever see me saying Mayweather doesn't drag publicity and a crowd

On the first page there is a link to an article with he numbers in, It is not presented in list format but contains all of the details this Article was written by Yahoo sports prior to the Mayweather Marquez fight; so after you read this article add another million PPV buys to the number as reported by HBO and a variety of other sites.