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    Default Re: Yea this proves how lackluster an opponent Diaz was...

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    So basically it comes back to not being allowed to make an assessment of a fighter if it's unpopular with his fans.

    Quote Originally Posted by jahmez View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB View Post
    it's a case of assessing the circumstances objectively and deciding how much credit you think the victor deserves based off the outcomes.
    My post regarding the respective "tale of the tapes" comprehensivley assessed the objective circumstances. I did not try to use the same old subjective opinions that so and so was damaged goods and so and so was not in their prime and so and so had slight flatulence the night of the fight. I only used official statistics to support my argument the very same way Mayweather and his fans often do (hence the cheesy references to Floyd). As for deciding how much credit the victor deserves? I leave that to the fans of each fighter because I'm not interested in standing toe to toe attempting to land haymakers in a brawl that is often reduced to a display of unintelligent low blows. "Well my pokemon can punch harder than yoursss!" "Well my pokemon can counter better than yoursss!".
    Listen, if you want to base your analysis of a fight on nothing more than a fighter's "tale of the tape" stats then that's your call.

    I find it ironic that you're talking about pokemon cards but by limiting the factors that you're using to assess the stock of a fighters victory to merely the tale of the tape you're essentially reducing boxing to a game of top trumps.

    Factors such as Oscar de La Hoya being so drained it took an IV drip to rehydrate him are not opinions as you called them... but facts, unfortunately these facts aren't going to be popular with pac fanboys so they choose to ignore them because they want to milk as much out of a win as they possibly can
    (it should be noted that Pac DOES deserve credit for beating ODLH... unfortunatly if you try to question exactly how much then pac fanboys will try and act like you are saying he deserves none at all... "but how many boxers have moved up this much" etc etc... that's not the point!)

    I see nothing wrong with making your own, educated opinion of a fighter based on different factors. There's a lot of talk about agendas in this thread.. but the people with agendas are the ones who chose to omit certain facts from themselves to protect 'their' fighter.

    ODLH being drained takes only a small bit of credit from Pac... so choosing to ignore facts like that stinks of either being scared to make your own opinion or simply not wanting to make one which wouldn't suit your fighter.
    Last edited by AdamGB; 09-30-2009 at 08:13 AM.

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