Yea this proves how lackluster an opponent Diaz was...

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Factors such as Oscar de La Hoya being so drained it took an IV drip to rehydrate him are not opinions as you called them... but facts, unfortunately these facts aren't going to be popular with pac fanboys so they choose to ignore them because they want to milk as much out of a win as they possibly can

I never gave credit to Pacquiao in my posts.Not once.I made it clear that my posts had nothing to do with "deciding how much credit you think the victor deserves based off the outcomes" as you put it.I made it clear from the very start that my posts were in regards to people arguing that "Pacquiao is more of a coward than Mayweather in regards to the cathweight situation".The reason why I only mentioned the "tale of the tape" is because once again my post is about the catchweight situation.Pacquiao and Mayweather are responsible for offering the catchweights.Pacquiao had nothing to do with Oscar de La Hoya choosing to be "so drained it took an IV drip to rehydrate him".

ODLH being drained takes only a small bit of credit from Pac... so choosing to ignore facts like that stinks of either being scared to make your own opinion or simply not wanting to make one which wouldn't suit your fighter.

Here's my opinion.ODLH being drained takes a large bit of credit from Pac. Jumping two classes and coming in the heaviest he has ever weighed,bringing the fight all night,trying to KO and eventually TKOing the much bigger man who was the -165 favourite gives a large bit of that credit back.Marquez jumping two weight classes coming in the heaviest he has ever weighed takes away a large bit of credit from Mayweather.Countering, scoring 1 KD and winning by UD against the much smaller man who was the +353 underdog gives a small bit of that credit back.Choosing to ignore a catchweight that was already a monumental challenge for the little man takes that small bit of credit and intergrity back.

I see nothing wrong with making your own, educated opinion of a fighter based on different factors. There's a lot of talk about agendas in this thread.. but the people with agendas are the ones who chose to omit certain facts from themselves to protect 'their' fighter.

I've always been a big fan of your posts and respected them as much as Chris Nagel's, Scrap's and Andre's so calling me a "pac fanboy" for no reason and taking my posts out of context was suprising.Looks like those low blows were inevitable.