Comparison of Floyd's punching stats to Vitali's punching stats in latest matches

[JonnyFolds]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

You must be joking. Vitali's win was way more appealing than Floyd's. Vitali was throwing punch FAR harder in comparison to Floyds.

We could also look at the fact that Mayweather was fighting a guy 20lbs lighter than he, and Vitali was fighting a guy who weighed the same
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[JonnyFolds]

I think the record for punch output in a single fight is held by Ivan Robinson and Phillip holiday 995 combined landed punches. Not sure how many were thrown. But Holiday connected with 555. The record for Compubox.

Then you have Ike Ibeabushi and David Tua putting up some crazy numbers as heavyweights.

[J_Undisputed]

The article iself is pointless. Its a question of styles. Its not often a heavy weight throws more punches than a welterweight, but look at the two fighters in question. One evaded punches as 90% of his defense against a pound 4-pound counter puncher and the other shoeshined a 1-2's against a guy who carried his gaurd high and barely threw. Arreola was game, but was he really a great fighter?

If vitali had defense like floyd, he wouldn't need to throw that many punches. If Floyd carried power like vitali's he would take a few to clip his opponents and make the same amount of money for few rounds of work.

Wanna compare punches landed on chris byrd vs those landed on floyd.. ok..sure.. both are considered defensive stylists and neither are considered strong punchers. Want to compare punches thrown/ or KO percentage between Vitali and TSzyu... ok.. cool. Both carry power and tried to box their opponents. The notion of comparing punches thrown by Floyd and Vitali is a spin that was started by HBO and continued in this article ..it only goes to Floyds pocket as evidence of what hes been saying about HBO commentators not knowing $hit about the sport. They would have actually made a point if they compared Floyd and Vitali to their counterparts in the 70's or 80's as evidence they throw more or less punches than a champ/superstar could.

[blegit]

The article iself is pointless. Its a question of styles. Its not often a heavy weight throws more punches than a welterweight, but look at the two fighters in question. One evaded punches as 90% of his defense against a pound 4-pound counter puncher and the other shoeshined a 1-2's against a guy who carried his gaurd high and barely threw. Arreola was game, but was he really a great fighter?

If vitali had defense like floyd, he wouldn't need to throw that many punches. If Floyd carried power like vitali's he would take a few to clip his opponents and make the same amount of money for few rounds of work.

Wanna compare punches landed on chris byrd vs those landed on floyd.. ok..sure.. both are considered defensive stylists and neither are considered strong punchers. Want to compare punches thrown/ or KO percentage between Vitali and TSzyu... ok.. cool. Both carry power and tried to box their opponents. The notion of comparing punches thrown by Floyd and Vitali is a spin that was started by HBO and continued in this article ..it only goes to Floyds pocket as evidence of what hes been saying about HBO commentators not knowing $hit about the sport. They would have actually made a point if they compared Floyd and Vitali to their counterparts in the 70's or 80's as evidence they throw more or less punches than a champ/superstar could.

Dang, well put. You are right you can not just look at numbers like the actual fight didn't tell the truth. Besides these are just one sided numbers. Like someone said, Floyd is a defensive wizard and depending on who he is fighting he may be on the defensive more than the offensive. And Arreola was coming straight line in at Vitali...that would make you a punching bag to a guy as talented as Vitali. Do people really want to keep discrediting everything about Floyd at all costs? His tune up fight against a top p4p guy was brilliant. Now lets move on everybody and see who he faces next.

[JT Rock]

The article iself is pointless. Its a question of styles. Its not often a heavy weight throws more punches than a welterweight, but look at the two fighters in question. One evaded punches as 90% of his defense against a pound 4-pound counter puncher and the other shoeshined a 1-2's against a guy who carried his gaurd high and barely threw. Arreola was game, but was he really a great fighter?

If vitali had defense like floyd, he wouldn't need to throw that many punches. If Floyd carried power like vitali's he would take a few to clip his opponents and make the same amount of money for few rounds of work.

Wanna compare punches landed on chris byrd vs those landed on floyd.. ok..sure.. both are considered defensive stylists and neither are considered strong punchers. Want to compare punches thrown/ or KO percentage between Vitali and TSzyu... ok.. cool. Both carry power and tried to box their opponents. The notion of comparing punches thrown by Floyd and Vitali is a spin that was started by HBO and continued in this article ..it only goes to Floyds pocket as evidence of what hes been saying about HBO commentators not knowing $hit about the sport. They would have actually made a point if they compared Floyd and Vitali to their counterparts in the 70's or 80's as evidence they throw more or less punches than a champ/superstar could.

Great points! Watch yourself though any credit given to Floyd is considered treason around here

[Kev]

I think the quality of opponent should be taken into account too.

Floyd was fighting one of the p4p best whereas Vitali was fighting a big, slow, fat, lumbering plodder who just kept coming forward and inviting Vitali to punch him in his stupid fat face.

Vitali is busy but unlike Floyd he didn't have to use any counterpunching skills. He's just a huge man with long arms who couldn't miss the human heavybag in front of him every time he stuck his jab out.

Under such circumstances we would have all thrown a lot of punches, it would be fun.

[Taeth]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

You must be joking. Vitali's win was way more appealing than Floyd's. Vitali was throwing punch FAR harder in comparison to Floyds.

We could also look at the fact that Mayweather was fighting a guy 20lbs lighter than he, and Vitali was fighting a guy who weighed the same
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Where the fuck is your logic coming from? Mayweather did not weigh 168 when he fought Marquez, what are you smoking? Also Arreola shouldn't be anywhere near 250, Mayweather fought a guy in supreme shape, while Vitali fought a guy who looked like he should be entering training camp, not at the end of it. Mayweather didn't throw as many punches, but you look at body rotation and everything, Mayweather was putting more into his punches more often. Mayweather always throws crisp punches, he doesn't throw a lot of punches but he makes as many punches as possible count. That why he almost connected with as many punches as Vitali while throwing less than half as many.

There are plenty of times where both brothers toy with opponents, and also because of their height and size and lack of athleticism(in comparison to Mayweather) there is no way they can get the same rotation on punches. Thats why Lennox Lewis hit harder than either brother, or Tyson, or Tua. Its because they had the ability to put their whole bodies into punches, while Wlad and especially Vitali pummel opponents and frustrate opponents until they steal the guys will to fight but don't have that spark out power.

Floyd fought a guy 8xbetter than Arreola, a guy with speed, counter punching ability, and heart. Floyd showed better everything except power in comparsion to Vitali.

[Rantcatrat]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

You must be joking. Vitali's win was way more appealing than Floyd's. Vitali was throwing punch FAR harder in comparison to Floyds.

We could also look at the fact that Mayweather was fighting a guy 20lbs lighter than he, and Vitali was fighting a guy who weighed the same
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Where the fuck is your logic coming from? Mayweather did not weigh 168 when he fought Marquez, what are you smoking? Also Arreola shouldn't be anywhere near 250, Mayweather fought a guy in supreme shape, while Vitali fought a guy who looked like he should be entering training camp, not at the end of it. Mayweather didn't throw as many punches, but you look at body rotation and everything, Mayweather was putting more into his punches more often. Mayweather always throws crisp punches, he doesn't throw a lot of punches but he makes as many punches as possible count. That why he almost connected with as many punches as Vitali while throwing less than half as many.

There are plenty of times where both brothers toy with opponents, and also because of their height and size and lack of athleticism(in comparison to Mayweather) there is no way they can get the same rotation on punches. Thats why Lennox Lewis hit harder than either brother, or Tyson, or Tua. Its because they had the ability to put their whole bodies into punches, while Wlad and especially Vitali pummel opponents and frustrate opponents until they steal the guys will to fight but don't have that spark out power.

Floyd fought a guy 8xbetter than Arreola, a guy with speed, counter punching ability, and heart. Floyd showed better everything except power in comparsion to Vitali.

Can someone please tell me if there is anything wrong with not throwing many punches if you win the fight? I don't think so. There are different styles in boxing. Right? As a boxing fan, you may prefer to watch some styles in comparison to others, but styles are styles.

I think the point is more that Mayweather doesn't throw many punches in a fight for a welterweight and Vitali throws a lot of punches in a fight for a heavyweight. As Taeth and others have pointed out: it makes sense to an extent given that Mayweather is a pure counterpunching defensive fighter and Vitali is a pure offensive fighter. The reason that it is somewhat astonishing is that generally heavyweights throw less punches than welterweights.

To Bilbo, I don't really think that who Mayweather is fighting makes a difference, but I can't find the data to back that up. What I mean is I don't think Mayweather's punching output would change all that much if he fought a boxer with the same style as Arreola. Mayweather will always be a smart defensive fighter who is averse to risk-taking and doesn't use punch volume to win fights.

I also don't think it really has to do with that Mayweather throws cleaner, crisper punches. Because if you don't throw many punches, you have to make the punches you throw count. If you throw many punches, you don't have to exert the same amount of energy making sure each punch is crisp. Style dictates punch output to an extent.

Also, to Taeth, it is much easier to look athletic when you are shorter than when you are taller. Vitali actually is pretty athletic for a guy who is 6'8 and I've seen many guys who are 5'8 that are very athletic.

Marquez may be 8x better than Arreola, but it is not because he has any more heart. Arreola has a ton of that.

[Taeth]

You must be joking. Vitali's win was way more appealing than Floyd's. Vitali was throwing punch FAR harder in comparison to Floyds.

We could also look at the fact that Mayweather was fighting a guy 20lbs lighter than he, and Vitali was fighting a guy who weighed the same
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Where the fuck is your logic coming from? Mayweather did not weigh 168 when he fought Marquez, what are you smoking? Also Arreola shouldn't be anywhere near 250, Mayweather fought a guy in supreme shape, while Vitali fought a guy who looked like he should be entering training camp, not at the end of it. Mayweather didn't throw as many punches, but you look at body rotation and everything, Mayweather was putting more into his punches more often. Mayweather always throws crisp punches, he doesn't throw a lot of punches but he makes as many punches as possible count. That why he almost connected with as many punches as Vitali while throwing less than half as many.

There are plenty of times where both brothers toy with opponents, and also because of their height and size and lack of athleticism(in comparison to Mayweather) there is no way they can get the same rotation on punches. Thats why Lennox Lewis hit harder than either brother, or Tyson, or Tua. Its because they had the ability to put their whole bodies into punches, while Wlad and especially Vitali pummel opponents and frustrate opponents until they steal the guys will to fight but don't have that spark out power.

Floyd fought a guy 8xbetter than Arreola, a guy with speed, counter punching ability, and heart. Floyd showed better everything except power in comparsion to Vitali.

Can someone please tell me if there is anything wrong with not throwing many punches if you win the fight? I don't think so. There are different styles in boxing. Right? As a boxing fan, you may prefer to watch some styles in comparison to others, but styles are styles.

I think the point is more that Mayweather doesn't throw many punches in a fight for a welterweight and Vitali throws a lot of punches in a fight for a heavyweight. As Taeth and others have pointed out: it makes sense to an extent given that Mayweather is a pure counterpunching defensive fighter and Vitali is a pure offensive fighter. The reason that it is somewhat astonishing is that generally heavyweights throw less punches than welterweights.

To Bilbo, I don't really think that who Mayweather is fighting makes a difference, but I can't find the data to back that up. What I mean is I don't think Mayweather's punching output would change all that much if he fought a boxer with the same style as Arreola. Mayweather will always be a smart defensive fighter who is averse to risk-taking and doesn't use punch volume to win fights.

I also don't think it really has to do with that Mayweather throws cleaner, crisper punches. Because if you don't throw many punches, you have to make the punches you throw count. If you throw many punches, you don't have to exert the same amount of energy making sure each punch is crisp. Style dictates punch output to an extent.

Also, to Taeth, it is much easier to look athletic when you are shorter than when you are taller. Vitali actually is pretty athletic for a guy who is 6'8 and I've seen many guys who are 5'8 that are very athletic.

Marquez may be 8x better than Arreola, but it is not because he has any more heart. Arreola has a ton of that.

I didn't say Marquez had more heart, but he had everything else way better than Arreola except power, and he had the same amount of heart as Arreola. Also height definitely plays a factor in coordination, but great athletes even tall guys still have great coordination which both brothers don't have(Wladimir Klitschko is still a really good athlete, but not quite elite, elite)

If you need examples you won't find them in boxing but here are a few :Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Shaquille O'neil, etc. these guys are tall, but have the coordination of guys like Mayweather.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Where the fuck is your logic coming from? Mayweather did not weigh 168 when he fought Marquez, what are you smoking? Also Arreola shouldn't be anywhere near 250, Mayweather fought a guy in supreme shape, while Vitali fought a guy who looked like he should be entering training camp, not at the end of it. Mayweather didn't throw as many punches, but you look at body rotation and everything, Mayweather was putting more into his punches more often. Mayweather always throws crisp punches, he doesn't throw a lot of punches but he makes as many punches as possible count. That why he almost connected with as many punches as Vitali while throwing less than half as many.

There are plenty of times where both brothers toy with opponents, and also because of their height and size and lack of athleticism(in comparison to Mayweather) there is no way they can get the same rotation on punches. Thats why Lennox Lewis hit harder than either brother, or Tyson, or Tua. Its because they had the ability to put their whole bodies into punches, while Wlad and especially Vitali pummel opponents and frustrate opponents until they steal the guys will to fight but don't have that spark out power.

Floyd fought a guy 8xbetter than Arreola, a guy with speed, counter punching ability, and heart. Floyd showed better everything except power in comparsion to Vitali.

Can someone please tell me if there is anything wrong with not throwing many punches if you win the fight? I don't think so. There are different styles in boxing. Right? As a boxing fan, you may prefer to watch some styles in comparison to others, but styles are styles.

I think the point is more that Mayweather doesn't throw many punches in a fight for a welterweight and Vitali throws a lot of punches in a fight for a heavyweight. As Taeth and others have pointed out: it makes sense to an extent given that Mayweather is a pure counterpunching defensive fighter and Vitali is a pure offensive fighter. The reason that it is somewhat astonishing is that generally heavyweights throw less punches than welterweights.

To Bilbo, I don't really think that who Mayweather is fighting makes a difference, but I can't find the data to back that up. What I mean is I don't think Mayweather's punching output would change all that much if he fought a boxer with the same style as Arreola. Mayweather will always be a smart defensive fighter who is averse to risk-taking and doesn't use punch volume to win fights.

I also don't think it really has to do with that Mayweather throws cleaner, crisper punches. Because if you don't throw many punches, you have to make the punches you throw count. If you throw many punches, you don't have to exert the same amount of energy making sure each punch is crisp. Style dictates punch output to an extent.

Also, to Taeth, it is much easier to look athletic when you are shorter than when you are taller. Vitali actually is pretty athletic for a guy who is 6'8 and I've seen many guys who are 5'8 that are very athletic.

Marquez may be 8x better than Arreola, but it is not because he has any more heart. Arreola has a ton of that.

I didn't say Marquez had more heart, but he had everything else way better than Arreola except power, and he had the same amount of heart as Arreola. Also height definitely plays a factor in coordination, but great athletes even tall guys still have great coordination which both brothers don't have(Wladimir Klitschko is still a really good athlete, but not quite elite, elite)

If you need examples you won't find them in boxing but here are a few :Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Shaquille O'neil, etc. these guys are tall, but have the coordination of guys like Mayweather.

That's a bit of a stretch...