Juan (the blubbery seal) Diaz avoiding Malignaggi rematch

**Spicoli** · 10-01-2009 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Its not even about whether Paulie landed harder shots to me, he just didn't land all that much in general.

LOL at going to fight in New York for equal money or close to that. Paulie should just move on, this loss has helped him immensely, that and he should demand Max commentates all his fights, its Lampley/Oscarish man love.

Had not even realized the punch stats until the other night.I take them with a grain of salt but Diaz was credited with more power shots and total punches landed,and from what I remember was the one who wobbled Paulie.

**OumaFan** · 10-01-2009 04:18 PM

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there

But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

**OumaFan** · 10-01-2009 04:19 PM

Cotto/Clottey was far more controversial IMO.

**JazMerkin** · 10-01-2009 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there

But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had)

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

**OumaFan** · 10-01-2009 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there

But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had)

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

Yes neither of those were very close. I thought Quartey/Forrest was a bit commentary inspired also, I didn't think it was the absolute tragedy of justice most people thought it was.

I just can't grasp why so many would be so outraged about a guy not getting a decision when he just didn't even land many clean punches, forget effective since Paulie just can't punch, I'm just talking clean ones. So that's why I tend to think all the outrage was a bit commentary inspired.

Take Cotto/Clottey for example. I originally scored it for Cotto but changed it to Clottey after watching it again. Still it was close enough and a Cotto win is OK IMO. But Clottey beat Cotto's ass at times, didn't just use good ring generalship, beat him up, and rounds that were given to Cotto, outside of what the 6th where he wailed on him and the first where he dropped him, were given mainly cause Clottey did less than normal, or less than we thought he should, although even there you can make a good case he was still doing more than Cotto. Yet there there's really not much controversy. Why?

Assuming Lampley was rooting for Clottey, not Cotto like he was, wouldn't it be fair to assume that there would be a bit more controversy? Maybe not, I don't know. It may have influenced me, since I scored it for Cotto originally. Granted my abhorrence of Clottey and his complete lack of ambition may have skewed me too. I still think he could have easily won that fight.

**Spicoli** · 10-01-2009 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Malignaggi threw a lot of jabs that landed on Diaz' gloves, meh I just can't get too worked up about that. The fight was reasonably close because of Paulie's defense, not his offense.

At least more people agree with me on Diaz winning this fight than they do with Shane Mosley beating ODLH in the second fight. I'm kind of on an island there

But in a way I think the fights had some similarities, maybe not that many but some. One guy gets slobbered on by the HBO crew every time he does anything even though most of the time he's not really landing and while the other guy doesn't land that much either he landed the cleaner more effective punches. Although Mosley hurt ODLH more than Diaz hurt Malignaggi.

I also thought Mosley beat Oscar in the 2nd fight after I watched without Lampley & Merchant slobbering all over Oscar's balls, not that they have ever influenced a viewing audience with their comms (see Oscar-Mayweather, Oscar-Hopkins, in fact most fights he's had)

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

Yep.Have never seen the total outrage.The commentary by Lampley was at times an exercise in calling phantom punches.He does it quite often and usually watch the replay Sunday morning after...."BIGGG RIGHT HAND" blah

**Myk_Myk** · 10-08-2009 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

I think people get affected way more by commentary than they're willing to admit.

Too bad there's not a "no commentary" option, where you could keep the sound on without the commentary. Of course the crowd can affect you as well, so maybe a close directional mic, where you could best hear the punches.