if tarver doesn't fully get credit for beating roy because of the weight..why should bhop...i seem to think that your offended by people saying that tarver was weight drained...yeah hop might have won but the margin of victory wouldn't have been that great...and as far telling you who roy beat at LHW and al this about someone not being memerized by his legend....you do know that it took 16 years for someone to come along and not be memerized at you put it...i find that a bit convienent considering that was 36 and by his own admission said he'd had nothing else to prove after the ruiz fight...

Now you tell me why was it that bhop stayed at middle for so long? Oh wait Bernard himself already said because the risks were lower than going up to SMW or LHW and he could capitalize on the weak MW division and break the record...

And Darius could have came over here to fight roy...I mean did sit ringside at the JOnes v Hill fight...but after he saw that body shot he hauled a** never to return...and didn't darius lose to gonazales the same fighter that roy toyed with for 12 rounds knocking him down three times too...

I can't decide if it's either your love fo bhop or your disliking for RJJ that makes you not accept the fact that prime vs prime roy beats bernard 10 out 10 times...now bernard would probably win because roy is over the hill and that's the only reason why...not because bernard has a great game plan or anything like that...roy is over the hill period...


Its funny that you say that cause the truth is i'm a big fan of both. I had roys career set before he fought ruiz. So this love hop hate roy thing is crazy. And as far as what i'm saying about roy its nothing that boxing experts haven't been saying for years.If he had nothing to prove after the ruiz fight then why did he fight? He had nothing to prove right.I love roy and i think he was a great fighter but the truth is he hadn't fought a worty opponent since toney. That was always the knock on him and i agree.As far as hop not leaving mw you are putting words in his mouth. I got the tape and he didn't say all that but i think you misunderstood. Roy was gettin 2-3 mil to fight nobodies at lhw. Do you think hop would of got that type of money?He was already getting paid crap at mw so hes supposed to move up and have to fight extra hard to still get crap? Would you have done that? The only fight at 175 that woud of gave him money was a roy fight. But if he stays at mw he had potential superfights with oscar,tito,vargas, he would of made more fighting david reid than any at lhw besides roy. He did the smart thing.

As far as Darius goes he was the champ point blank. It don't matter where he from he was the CHAMP.If roy wanted to be the real champ he should have went over. Come on if for example joe c moved up when roy was on top you would expect him to come to america to fight jones wouldn't you? not the other way around.To be the man you gotta beat the man and roy didn't beat the man.It don't matter if he went on to lose to julio cause that was years after jones got there.It don't change the fact that roy didn't want to fight him but instead fought his victims.

You still didn't answer my question about why roy moved up when there was better comp at 160 and 168.