Andre Ward would school Carl Froch..

[p4pking]

wow i've completely overrated froch.

if ward looks even remotely decent against kessler, i expect him to slaughter froch should they ever meet.

Well I'm certain he will be able to make him miss wildly and look amateurish, but the question is whether he can do enough offensively himself to score enough points to beat him.

Taylor had the speed and skills to make him look ragged but overdid it and got ko'd.

Dirrell had the speed and skills to make him look ragged but ran too much and didn't engage enough to get the decision.

Ward will have to be in the middle....

I half agree with you, but not so sure that your giving Ward due credit here. It wasn't simply the gameplans of Taylor and Dirrell(I actually thought Andre won the fight clearly) that cost them the wins. I think Andre Ward is a better boxer than either of them at this point, Froch has me basically writing him off after that fight tonight. I am fairly confident Ward would beat him, but it's pointless to speculate at this point as he still has to get by Kessler(who would EASILY beat Froch imo.) Either way, Carl isn't winning this thing for me, he didn't deserve the decision tonight.

[amat]

Would would remain about a million times more composed then either Taylor or Dirrell did. Dirrell won tonight by all means, but he fought in spurts and a lot of situations he held when he didn't have to. Just became a bit unglued and paniced at times especially on the inside. When you have that much of a footspeed advantage, use it more then just on the outside.

[BoxingGorilla]

Would would remain about a million times more composed then either Taylor or Dirrell did. Dirrell won tonight by all means, but he fought in spurts and a lot of situations he held when he didn't have to. Just became a bit unglued and paniced at times especially on the inside. When you have that much of a footspeed advantage, use it more then just on the outside.

I truley disagree.

I thought Dirrell looked liked a child fighting a man. You know, throwing his building blocks and then running behind furniture.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Dirrel didn't want to fight he wanted to hold and run. He only fought for two rounds 11 and 12 and the only reason he did remotely good was becaues of the 2 to 1 speed difference. Take away the speed and dirrel would have been knocked out cold. Froch couldn't adapt to the speed and was swinging at air all night.

[Nameless]

I saw the Abraham-Taylor match as we get German T.V over here but unfortunately, we have no english sport channels so I couldn't see Froch-Dirrell. I'Ve read the outcome but as some of you have seen the match, I would like to have your personal opinions about it, especially about the split decision.

[JazMerkin]

Dirrel didn't want to fight he wanted to hold and run. He only fought for two rounds 11 and 12 and the only reason he did remotely good was becaues of the 2 to 1 speed difference. Take away the speed and dirrel would have been knocked out cold. Froch couldn't adapt to the speed and was swinging at air all night.

Yeah, the usual convention is that swinging at air is not what gets you rounds on the judges' cards. I know crazy notion. Unless you're of the opinion that Ricky Hatton was pitching a shutout against Manny Pacquiao

I saw the Abraham-Taylor match as we get German T.V over here but unfortunately, we have no english sport channels so I couldn't see Froch-Dirrell. I'Ve read the outcome but as some of you have seen the match, I would like to have your personal opinions about it, especially about the split decision.

I thought it was a shit fight, neither fighter did anything to really admire, but the fact is Froch at best won 4 rounds. That's giving him all the benefit I can. I think this was a hideous robbery. You know how I felt about the Bute-Andrade fight, even if we did have differing opinions, well this enraged me almost as much, with that at least I could admire Bute's heart if not Marlon B. Wrong's refereeing (btw are we still on for a sig bet for the rematch?)

[Nameless]

Dirrel didn't want to fight he wanted to hold and run. He only fought for two rounds 11 and 12 and the only reason he did remotely good was becaues of the 2 to 1 speed difference. Take away the speed and dirrel would have been knocked out cold. Froch couldn't adapt to the speed and was swinging at air all night.

Yeah, the usual convention is that swinging at air is not what gets you rounds on the judges' cards. I know crazy notion. Unless you're of the opinion that Ricky Hatton was pitching a shutout against Manny Pacquiao

I saw the Abraham-Taylor match as we get German T.V over here but unfortunately, we have no english sport channels so I couldn't see Froch-Dirrell. I'Ve read the outcome but as some of you have seen the match, I would like to have your personal opinions about it, especially about the split decision.

I thought it was a shit fight, neither fighter did anything to really admire, but the fact is Froch at best won 4 rounds. That's giving him all the benefit I can. I think this was a hideous robbery. You know how I felt about the Bute-Andrade fight, even if we did have differing opinions, well this enraged me almost as much, with that at least I could admire Bute's heart if not Marlon B. Wrong's refereeing (btw are we still on for a sig bet for the rematch?)

I should be able to find the match on rapidshare somewhere this week, I will look at it and tell you how I personally see it. I am very busy this week though as I have to waste a full day to go to Freiburg to fix some paper things as I am supposed to move over here for the year. Sig bet for Bute-Andrade II? SURE! Bute UD with a good margin

[OumaFan]

Exactly Jaz, people I think have taken the attitude of not getting outraged about this cause Dirrell was so negative, fair enough, but its the worst decision in a while, far more controversial than Cotto-Clottey or Diaz-Malignaggi. There is no good argument for Froch winning rounds, all you hear from people is that they didn't like how Dirrell was winning rounds so lets give them to Froch.

Seriously has anybody made a case for Froch winning because of what he did? I haven't seen it. I'm bitter I admit it. I sound like Majesty. But the whole thing was a joke.

[OumaFan]

But Dirrell was kind of awful. He could have dominated that fight instead of just winning rounds. He's got a lot of ability but a shit head, he's too nervous.

[JazMerkin]

Exactly Jaz, people I think have taken the attitude of not getting outraged about this cause Dirrell was so negative, fair enough, but its the worst decision in a while, far more controversial than Cotto-Clottey or Diaz-Malignaggi. There is no good argument for Froch winning rounds, all you hear from people is that they didn't like how Dirrell was winning rounds so lets give them to Froch.

Seriously has anybody made a case for Froch winning because of what he did? I haven't seen it. I'm bitter I admit it. I sound like Majesty. But the whole thing was a joke.

Agreed, I thought both Clottey & Malignaggi edged their fights, but I didn't feel they'd been robbed in the way I think Dirrell has been. I didn't like how Dirrell fought, but he won the rounds. I didn't like how Malignaggi fought against Diaz, but it didn't stop me giving him rounds, but unlike Froch, at least Diaz showed some effective aggression to make it close. This was nowhere near that fight in being close & is the worst I can think of in quite some time, I'd argue even worse than Valuev-Holyfield. I do find it ironic that some people (lookin' at you Miles) who thought the Paulie-Diaz fight was a travesty seem to think this was fine because they didn't like how Dirrell fought. As for the post-fight interview, well why Froch gets no flack for this I don't know, if that was Floyd in there etc etc... oh shit now I DO sound like Majesty

[sumkalambay]

Would would remain about a million times more composed then either Taylor or Dirrell did. Dirrell won tonight by all means, but he fought in spurts and a lot of situations he held when he didn't have to. Just became a bit unglued and paniced at times especially on the inside. When you have that much of a footspeed advantage, use it more then just on the outside.

composed is the right word. dirrell's way too tense in there. ward is in comparison very relaxed.

[rjj tszyu]

Would would remain about a million times more composed then either Taylor or Dirrell did. Dirrell won tonight by all means, but he fought in spurts and a lot of situations he held when he didn't have to. Just became a bit unglued and paniced at times especially on the inside. When you have that much of a footspeed advantage, use it more then just on the outside.

composed is the right word. dirrell's way too tense in there. ward is in comparison very relaxed.

He'll be relaxed alright when Kessler puts him to sleep.

Sorry if I seem in a bad mood but my team are being beaten by Bastard Rovers 3-1 at half time and I'm now in a bitching mood!

[Kev]

wow i've completely overrated froch.

if ward looks even remotely decent against kessler, i expect him to slaughter froch should they ever meet.

Well I'm certain he will be able to make him miss wildly and look amateurish, but the question is whether he can do enough offensively himself to score enough points to beat him.

Taylor had the speed and skills to make him look ragged but overdid it and got ko'd.

Dirrell had the speed and skills to make him look ragged but ran too much and didn't engage enough to get the decision.

Ward will have to be in the middle....

I half agree with you, but not so sure that your giving Ward due credit here. It wasn't simply the gameplans of Taylor and Dirrell(I actually thought Andre won the fight clearly) that cost them the wins. I think Andre Ward is a better boxer than either of them at this point, Froch has me basically writing him off after that fight tonight. I am fairly confident Ward would beat him, but it's pointless to speculate at this point as he still has to get by Kessler(who would EASILY beat Froch imo.) Either way, Carl isn't winning this thing for me, he didn't deserve the decision tonight.

No I actually rate Ward very highly, in fact I voted him as my pick to win the whole thing in Ouma's thread.

I just don't think it's a given that he will beat Froch, and certainly not easily.

We know Froch can look bad, but he still finds a way to win. The Dirrell fight was not impressive from either fighter imo, I don't think Dirrell desereved to lose his 0 but he really didn't do enough to take the title from the champion either. I'd score it a draw, first blood wasn't even drawn let alone a decisive battle won.