Dirrell deserved to lose. Fact.

[hfahrenheit]

Dirrell didnt start holding and grabbing until Froch started all of his dirty tactics and Dirrell saw that the ref was just letting Froch do whatever he wanted.

I think Dirrell even in loss proved three things:

- Froch has a suspect chin
- Froch's power is overrated
- Froch doesnt have good fundementals and is slow as molasis

I wish Dirrell would have just standed and traded with Froch, he would have gotten froch out of there.

Agreed.

but the other two i don't think can be questioned with the same authority; is it Froch's lack of power or Dirrell's good chin?... Froch didn't touch the canvas, and was stunned once, maybe twice in the fight and recovered well...and AGAIN, didn't go down.

Getting wobbled by a good punch means you have a suspect chin?

[hfahrenheit]

Like I have said I scored the fight big for Dirrell, but what makes me laugh is some of are American friends, im not tarnishing you all with the same brush but lets be honest here Dirrell made Hatton look like a novice when it came to the hugging stakes!!

Now lets imagine it was a Brit who stunk the joint out like that last night we wouldnt have heard the fucking end of it!!

Pisses me off sumtimes it's one rule for fighter in from a part of the world and then it's a different one for another fighter from another part of the world.


On another note if Taylor sits out the rest of the tourny apparently Alan Green will be his replacement which I am not happy with hes fucking shit for starters, and he has done absolutly nothing in his career apart from get stopped by the limited Miranda.

I'm an American, and I thought Dirrell fought like a girl until the 11th round... had he fought like that the whole time, it would have been a one sided mollywopping...but he didn't. He looked like fucking John Ruiz.

Allan Greene sucks too, but he's good for the Andre's (someone they can beat, or a good gatekeeper). Where's Lucian Bute?

[Hunter]

[quote=Fenster;799670]

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You're not grasping the importance of the mindset in these matters.

Yes Froch never hit Dirrell. But the ones that got close clearly bothered him.

So froch hits so hard, even when he doesnt hit his opponent the wind from his fist going by creates a percussion that shocks his opponents??...Is that what you are saying?



Frosh landed cleanly on Dirrell and Dirrell walked through the shots, when Dirrell landed cleanly Froch started to do the chicken dance.......


I think that points to a Dirrell KO in the rematch.....

I'm saying if Froch had hit him he may have hurt him. Trust me.

Sorry - I cant trust you on this one even if you are the former Saddo Prediction Comp Champion-FACT.......Froch did land cleanly on Dirrell and Froch's punches didnt hurt dirrell. I saw it with my own two eyes.....When Dirrell landed to Froch's noggin, he started to stagger around like a high schooler after doing his first beer bong...

[BIG H]

[quote=Fenster;799670]

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You're not grasping the importance of the mindset in these matters.

Yes Froch never hit Dirrell. But the ones that got close clearly bothered him.

So froch hits so hard, even when he doesnt hit his opponent the wind from his fist going by creates a percussion that shocks his opponents??...Is that what you are saying?



Frosh landed cleanly on Dirrell and Dirrell walked through the shots, when Dirrell landed cleanly Froch started to do the chicken dance.......

I think that points to a Dirrell KO in the rematch.....

I'm saying if Froch had hit him he may have hurt him. Trust me.

[hfahrenheit]

LOL, ALL FROCH DOES IS GO FOR THE KO. And he does it with 1 shot. oh yeah, he has that "jab." They could fight 100 times and Froch would win maybe 2 times last fight included as a win. Dirrell is CLEARLY a better fighter, whenever you have rematches you have to go with the better fighter. Froch didn't even buzz him, he didn't come close. What a joke Fenster, at least I hope that's what it is. Even the most ardent Froch supporter knows that it's Dirrell, not Froch, who is likely to fight a better fight next time. He has more adjustments to make to work in his favor, no way.

haha that made me laugh. What has been missing from Froch's last three fights though has been the uppercut. Prior to the Pascal fight his trademark was to hang his hands low, invite his opponent to come in and then sucker them with a devastating uppercut, it was beautiful to see.

His last few fights he's not had the opportunity, partly I think because his opponents don't ever want to come to him, and partly because against fighters better than our domestic plodders he looks he's punching in water.

The on factor in Froch's favour is that the old sayings are speed kills and the better, faster boxer will beat the brawler type etc. Well Froch in last two fights has fought the two fastest, slickest fighters he may ever face and he's still unbeaten which means something.

Its a bit like Chavez really, he was completely outboxed by Meldrick Taylor in the first fight but caught up with him late, and battered him in the rematch.

Froch may be that kind of fighter (not saying he is as good, just the type of fighter he is).

I look forward immensely to his fight with Kessler. On paper Kessler does everything right whereas Froch does everything wrong so Kessler should win it easily.

But he won't be running like the others so maybe Froch can get into more....

I wouldn't write him off yet, although I have little doubt that Andre Ward will win the tournament.

i think Kessler v Froch will be one of the best of the tourney, because of the points you bring up...

although, at this point I don't think Abraham would take any every rounds off and would go right after Froch and would beat him inside of 5 or 6 rounds...

that also would be another very interesting fight.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

[quote=Fenster;799670]

[
You're not grasping the importance of the mindset in these matters.

Yes Froch never hit Dirrell. But the ones that got close clearly bothered him.

So froch hits so hard, even when he doesnt hit his opponent the wind from his fist going by creates a percussion that shocks his opponents??...Is that what you are saying?



Frosh landed cleanly on Dirrell and Dirrell walked through the shots, when Dirrell landed cleanly Froch started to do the chicken dance.......

I think that points to a Dirrell KO in the rematch.....

I'm saying if Froch had hit him he may have hurt him. Trust me.

[Fenster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztqCbOUiTY

[killersheep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztqCbOUiTY

Great video, still doesn't explain what Froch did to win, but great video.

Are you going to show another that counts rabbit punches?

Of course the judges aren't there to count clinches, that's the refs job.

[Mar]

I agree that direll deseved to loose but not because he was beat, but because when you let it go to the cards you take it out of your hands and put it into the hands of people who you have no idea what their real intentions are. Props to froch cause the scoreboard is all that matters. But me and a couple of guys watched the fight again with no sound (an idea i got from nate cambell) and i'm no expert but the fight in that way didn't even look close. Direll runs, mayweather uses elbows, bradley his head, margarito cement basically i'm sayin you can't take away punches landed from a guy for the way he lands them. It should be like a video game a point is a point. So those saying direll lost and should have cause of the way he fought out there, i have to disagree. Why even keep score if we are going to get results like this. But hey if froch can keep winning and win this whole thing it won't matter how, it's all about the scoreboard after. If this were a street fight then i'd say maybe froch did enough to make it even, but who was the best boxer in this sport called boxing, no way he won.

[Fenster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztqCbOUiTY

Great video, still doesn't explain what Froch did to win, but great video.

Are you going to show another that counts rabbit punches?

Of course the judges aren't there to count clinches, that's the refs job.

For sure - if someone makes one.

Remember I think Dirrell WON!!!

[josef4334]

i think both deserved to lose. direll would have picked froch apart but he chose to run and hug and when he was landing his punches he would stop and hug. i mean come on.. he was trying to play it safe like a scared little girl. froch on the other hand didnt pressure like he's supposed to. bottomline is that both of them belong to the bottom of the super six along with taylor.

[Pugilistic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztqCbOUiTY

Dirrell ran and clinched but still managed to outland Froch and outthrow Froch in majority of the rounds.

Froch landed about three clean punches the whole night, although he did land alot of rabbit punches, unforenately for Froch, they are illegal.

[amat]

LOL, ALL FROCH DOES IS GO FOR THE KO. And he does it with 1 shot. oh yeah, he has that "jab." They could fight 100 times and Froch would win maybe 2 times last fight included as a win. Dirrell is CLEARLY a better fighter, whenever you have rematches you have to go with the better fighter. Froch didn't even buzz him, he didn't come close. What a joke Fenster, at least I hope that's what it is. Even the most ardent Froch supporter knows that it's Dirrell, not Froch, who is likely to fight a better fight next time. He has more adjustments to make to work in his favor, no way.

haha that made me laugh. What has been missing from Froch's last three fights though has been the uppercut. Prior to the Pascal fight his trademark was to hang his hands low, invite his opponent to come in and then sucker them with a devastating uppercut, it was beautiful to see.

His last few fights he's not had the opportunity, partly I think because his opponents don't ever want to come to him, and partly because against fighters better than our domestic plodders he looks he's punching in water.

The on factor in Froch's favour is that the old sayings are speed kills and the better, faster boxer will beat the brawler type etc. Well Froch in last two fights has fought the two fastest, slickest fighters he may ever face and he's still unbeaten which means something.

Its a bit like Chavez really, he was completely outboxed by Meldrick Taylor in the first fight but caught up with him late, and battered him in the rematch.

Froch may be that kind of fighter (not saying he is as good, just the type of fighter he is).

I look forward immensely to his fight with Kessler. On paper Kessler does everything right whereas Froch does everything wrong so Kessler should win it easily.

But he won't be running like the others so maybe Froch can get into more....

I wouldn't write him off yet, although I have little doubt that Andre Ward will win the tournament.

Hunter gave you an answer, if Froch would have tried that uppercut against any of the guys in this tournament then that would spell very bad for him. I literally laughed when people raved about his uppercut in the past, by ditching it Froch showed he wasn't as stupid as perhaps I thought he was.

I am SHOCKED by the backlash. To think that Juan Diaz got all the shit he got for beating Malignaggi and for the judges getting the scores RIGHT, and the backlash has been all negative towards Dirrell not Froch. I guess Dirrell can take solace in the fact that he is the better fighter but he is a bit of a...character so maybe he won't. I didn't think my dislike for Froch could be escalated. He should move to MMA.

[OumaFan]

I hate Carl Froch....FACT

That comment shows your lack of brain cells.

It doesn't actually but that's besides the point.

[BigLuke]

You have to be pretty naive if you think Dirrell was going to get the decision, fighting like that, in the other guys backyard.

Come on now.

The fight was a boring, ugly, messy letdown.

Hold, foul, hold, duck/spin round, hold, pose, hold, run, hold.. boring, boring, boring.

Dirrell won the fight but it would have been a travesty had Froch lost.

Your kidding right??