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    Default Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)

    ASK THE TRAINER

    my goodness!!!

    i really cant figure out why you guys have that stupid idea that the size of the body frame counts more than the % of lean muscles mass?!
    cmon its just the bones not muscles!!!

    need a little physiology in here...
    -muscles are the tissues responsible for power and speed!!!
    your skeletal system just serves as an attachment to your muscles,
    thus the amount of muscle mass you can add depends on the size (length and girth) of your bones....

    so i really cant figure it out why you guys kept on bashing on boxers who has small body frames and is fighting a bigger opponent...
    most of you guys dont really box in reality right?

    ok,
    pac is fighting at the 130 limit...
    but come fight night, he weighs around 142...

    - adding those weight in a rush is a strategy used by trainers to add stability on their fighters chin and knees... it also helps a bit on the body shots absorb by the body...

    the heavier you are = the more stable you are
    the lighter you are = the less stable you are
    *when you get hit
    (this is so logical, you dont have to be good in physics to get the point)

    pac adds 12 pounds after the official weigh in - it is not muscle
    now hes fighting at 135 - that means +5 in training, +7 after the weigh in
    yes, that is another 5 pounds of pure muscle, means more power and speed

    its also true that a ko punch is inborn and is usually a special 'gift'....
    cuz if not then every boxer in the world may possess a ko punch right now...

    the other point here is that boxers who looks thin at the weigh in doesnt really fit the division.
    they are forcing themselves in a crash diet and starvation just to make the weight limit...
    why? because they are fuckin coward!!!
    they want to fight smaller opponents!!!
    cuz they really dont possess the punching power and the chin to last against opponents with the same size as they are...

    example? look at

    morales - he never koed anyone at 130 (opponents near his size)... barrera, hernandez, in jin chi...
    not even against ayala who is really small in stature... his koes mostly came from his 122
    pounds and below - days where he is just too big for everybody... he cant even ko pac who
    as we all know is a natural featherweight...
    - but consider morales's frame, if he bulks up with 'real muscles', he'll surely be at the 140-147
    division... do you think he can last for atleast 8 rounds against floyd, cotto, or even corrales?
    i dont think so... we dont think so..

    castillo - we all know the trouble hes in now for not making the weight limit against corrales...
    he said he is really too big to be a lightweight... but why the hell he is forcing himself at the
    division if he is? cuz hes another coward!!!
    - remember that he wants to fight corrales with him weighing 139. thats bullshit!!! if you want
    to weigh the weight that you prefer then fight someone of the same weight!!! cuz he knows
    the the likes of cotto are waiting up there thats why...

    even pac did fight smaller opponents when hes at the 108-115 limit...
    he was so damn thin!!! yah he was fast...
    but the punches? his record? kazoomm!!!!
    12 wins - 1 loss - 4 ko
    8 by decision
    all TKOes by the way...
    one due to a stoppage because of a cut,
    3 is due to exhaution by his opponents because of the pace...

    since he put on those shoulders and biceps...
    his record
    41 wins - 3 losses - 2 draws - 32 ko
    only one win that is not a ko since the first loss - amazing

    lesson:
    dont look up on coward fighters, their fooling you
    respect smaller fighters cuz their the real force plus their good for boxing
    ala mike tyson 5'9", 95% pure muscle


    floyd mayweather jr. - the smartest boxer in the world
    36 wins - 24 ko
    undeafeated
    started as a super featherweight..
    won by TKO 22 out of 24 times..

    see? TKO... my boy aint got the power pac has... even in his super featherweight days, hes not a 1 punch ko artist...

    plus he needs to lose weight... it will affect his chin, stamina, speed, POWER.........
    bad fight!!! i hope its really impossible.

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    Default Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)

    no more caffeine for this guy!


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    Default Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)

    Quote Originally Posted by _the_answer_
    ASK THE TRAINER

    my goodness!!!

    i really cant figure out why you guys have that stupid idea that the size of the body frame counts more than the % of lean muscles mass?!
    cmon its just the bones not muscles!!!

    need a little physiology in here...
    -muscles are the tissues responsible for power and speed!!!
    your skeletal system just serves as an attachment to your muscles,
    thus the amount of muscle mass you can add depends on the size (length and girth) of your bones....

    so i really cant figure it out why you guys kept on bashing on boxers who has small body frames and is fighting a bigger opponent...
    most of you guys dont really box in reality right?

    ok,
    pac is fighting at the 130 limit...
    but come fight night, he weighs around 142...

    - adding those weight in a rush is a strategy used by trainers to add stability on their fighters chin and knees... it also helps a bit on the body shots absorb by the body...

    the heavier you are = the more stable you are
    the lighter you are = the less stable you are
    *when you get hit
    (this is so logical, you dont have to be good in physics to get the point)

    pac adds 12 pounds after the official weigh in - it is not muscle
    now hes fighting at 135 - that means +5 in training, +7 after the weigh in
    yes, that is another 5 pounds of pure muscle, means more power and speed

    its also true that a ko punch is inborn and is usually a special 'gift'....
    cuz if not then every boxer in the world may possess a ko punch right now...

    the other point here is that boxers who looks thin at the weigh in doesnt really fit the division.
    they are forcing themselves in a crash diet and starvation just to make the weight limit...
    why? because they are F****** coward!!!
    they want to fight smaller opponents!!!
    cuz they really dont possess the punching power and the chin to last against opponents with the same size as they are...

    example? look at

    morales - he never koed anyone at 130 (opponents near his size)... barrera, hernandez, in jin chi...
    not even against ayala who is really small in stature... his koes mostly came from his 122
    pounds and below - days where he is just too big for everybody... he cant even ko pac who
    as we all know is a natural featherweight...
    - but consider morales's frame, if he bulks up with 'real muscles', he'll surely be at the 140-147
    division... do you think he can last for atleast 8 rounds against floyd, cotto, or even corrales?
    i dont think so... we dont think so..

    castillo - we all know the trouble hes in now for not making the weight limit against corrales...
    he said he is really too big to be a lightweight... but why the hell he is forcing himself at the
    division if he is? cuz hes another coward!!!
    - remember that he wants to fight corrales with him weighing 139. thats bullshit!!! if you want
    to weigh the weight that you prefer then fight someone of the same weight!!! cuz he knows
    the the likes of cotto are waiting up there thats why...

    even pac did fight smaller opponents when hes at the 108-115 limit...
    he was so damn thin!!! yah he was fast...
    but the punches? his record? kazoomm!!!!
    12 wins - 1 loss - 4 ko
    8 by decision
    all TKOes by the way...
    one due to a stoppage because of a cut,
    3 is due to exhaution by his opponents because of the pace...

    since he put on those shoulders and biceps...
    his record
    41 wins - 3 losses - 2 draws - 32 ko
    only one win that is not a ko since the first loss - amazing

    lesson:
    dont look up on coward fighters, their fooling you
    respect smaller fighters cuz their the real force plus their good for boxing
    ala mike tyson 5'9", 95% pure muscle


    floyd mayweather jr. - the smartest boxer in the world
    36 wins - 24 ko
    undeafeated
    started as a super featherweight..
    won by TKO 22 out of 24 times..

    see? TKO... my boy aint got the power pac has... even in his super featherweight days, hes not a 1 punch ko artist...

    plus he needs to lose weight... it will affect his chin, stamina, speed, POWER.........
    bad fight!!! i hope its really impossible.
    finally someone in to details as much as i am...so many fans are fooled on how good floyd is...already blinding them self on contenders with true gifts to beat floyd p4p...

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyboNe
    Quote Originally Posted by _the_answer_
    ASK THE TRAINER

    my goodness!!!

    i really cant figure out why you guys have that stupid idea that the size of the body frame counts more than the % of lean muscles mass?!
    cmon its just the bones not muscles!!!

    need a little physiology in here...
    -muscles are the tissues responsible for power and speed!!!
    your skeletal system just serves as an attachment to your muscles,
    thus the amount of muscle mass you can add depends on the size (length and girth) of your bones....

    so i really cant figure it out why you guys kept on bashing on boxers who has small body frames and is fighting a bigger opponent...
    most of you guys dont really box in reality right?

    ok,
    pac is fighting at the 130 limit...
    but come fight night, he weighs around 142...

    - adding those weight in a rush is a strategy used by trainers to add stability on their fighters chin and knees... it also helps a bit on the body shots absorb by the body...

    the heavier you are = the more stable you are
    the lighter you are = the less stable you are
    *when you get hit
    (this is so logical, you dont have to be good in physics to get the point)

    pac adds 12 pounds after the official weigh in - it is not muscle
    now hes fighting at 135 - that means +5 in training, +7 after the weigh in
    yes, that is another 5 pounds of pure muscle, means more power and speed

    its also true that a ko punch is inborn and is usually a special 'gift'....
    cuz if not then every boxer in the world may possess a ko punch right now...

    the other point here is that boxers who looks thin at the weigh in doesnt really fit the division.
    they are forcing themselves in a crash diet and starvation just to make the weight limit...
    why? because they are F****** coward!!!
    they want to fight smaller opponents!!!
    cuz they really dont possess the punching power and the chin to last against opponents with the same size as they are...

    example? look at

    morales - he never koed anyone at 130 (opponents near his size)... barrera, hernandez, in jin chi...
    not even against ayala who is really small in stature... his koes mostly came from his 122
    pounds and below - days where he is just too big for everybody... he cant even ko pac who
    as we all know is a natural featherweight...
    - but consider morales's frame, if he bulks up with 'real muscles', he'll surely be at the 140-147
    division... do you think he can last for atleast 8 rounds against floyd, cotto, or even corrales?
    i dont think so... we dont think so..

    castillo - we all know the trouble hes in now for not making the weight limit against corrales...
    he said he is really too big to be a lightweight... but why the hell he is forcing himself at the
    division if he is? cuz hes another coward!!!
    - remember that he wants to fight corrales with him weighing 139. thats bullshit!!! if you want
    to weigh the weight that you prefer then fight someone of the same weight!!! cuz he knows
    the the likes of cotto are waiting up there thats why...

    even pac did fight smaller opponents when hes at the 108-115 limit...
    he was so damn thin!!! yah he was fast...
    but the punches? his record? kazoomm!!!!
    12 wins - 1 loss - 4 ko
    8 by decision
    all TKOes by the way...
    one due to a stoppage because of a cut,
    3 is due to exhaution by his opponents because of the pace...

    since he put on those shoulders and biceps...
    his record
    41 wins - 3 losses - 2 draws - 32 ko
    only one win that is not a ko since the first loss - amazing

    lesson:
    dont look up on coward fighters, their fooling you
    respect smaller fighters cuz their the real force plus their good for boxing
    ala mike tyson 5'9", 95% pure muscle


    floyd mayweather jr. - the smartest boxer in the world
    36 wins - 24 ko
    undeafeated
    started as a super featherweight..
    won by TKO 22 out of 24 times..

    see? TKO... my boy aint got the power pac has... even in his super featherweight days, hes not a 1 punch ko artist...

    plus he needs to lose weight... it will affect his chin, stamina, speed, POWER.........
    bad fight!!! i hope its really impossible.
    finally someone in to details as much as i am...so many fans are fooled on how good floyd is...already blinding them self on contenders with true gifts to beat floyd p4p...

    name a few guys who have "the gifts" to beat floyd (who is the most gifted fighter in the sport today"
    im just curious and am interested in your feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
    Quote Originally Posted by babyboNe
    Quote Originally Posted by _the_answer_
    ASK THE TRAINER

    my goodness!!!

    i really cant figure out why you guys have that stupid idea that the size of the body frame counts more than the % of lean muscles mass?!
    cmon its just the bones not muscles!!!

    need a little physiology in here...
    -muscles are the tissues responsible for power and speed!!!
    your skeletal system just serves as an attachment to your muscles,
    thus the amount of muscle mass you can add depends on the size (length and girth) of your bones....

    so i really cant figure it out why you guys kept on bashing on boxers who has small body frames and is fighting a bigger opponent...
    most of you guys dont really box in reality right?

    ok,
    pac is fighting at the 130 limit...
    but come fight night, he weighs around 142...

    - adding those weight in a rush is a strategy used by trainers to add stability on their fighters chin and knees... it also helps a bit on the body shots absorb by the body...

    the heavier you are = the more stable you are
    the lighter you are = the less stable you are
    *when you get hit
    (this is so logical, you dont have to be good in physics to get the point)

    pac adds 12 pounds after the official weigh in - it is not muscle
    now hes fighting at 135 - that means +5 in training, +7 after the weigh in
    yes, that is another 5 pounds of pure muscle, means more power and speed

    its also true that a ko punch is inborn and is usually a special 'gift'....
    cuz if not then every boxer in the world may possess a ko punch right now...

    the other point here is that boxers who looks thin at the weigh in doesnt really fit the division.
    they are forcing themselves in a crash diet and starvation just to make the weight limit...
    why? because they are F****** coward!!!
    they want to fight smaller opponents!!!
    cuz they really dont possess the punching power and the chin to last against opponents with the same size as they are...

    example? look at

    morales - he never koed anyone at 130 (opponents near his size)... barrera, hernandez, in jin chi...
    not even against ayala who is really small in stature... his koes mostly came from his 122
    pounds and below - days where he is just too big for everybody... he cant even ko pac who
    as we all know is a natural featherweight...
    - but consider morales's frame, if he bulks up with 'real muscles', he'll surely be at the 140-147
    division... do you think he can last for atleast 8 rounds against floyd, cotto, or even corrales?
    i dont think so... we dont think so..

    castillo - we all know the trouble hes in now for not making the weight limit against corrales...
    he said he is really too big to be a lightweight... but why the hell he is forcing himself at the
    division if he is? cuz hes another coward!!!
    - remember that he wants to fight corrales with him weighing 139. thats bullshit!!! if you want
    to weigh the weight that you prefer then fight someone of the same weight!!! cuz he knows
    the the likes of cotto are waiting up there thats why...

    even pac did fight smaller opponents when hes at the 108-115 limit...
    he was so damn thin!!! yah he was fast...
    but the punches? his record? kazoomm!!!!
    12 wins - 1 loss - 4 ko
    8 by decision
    all TKOes by the way...
    one due to a stoppage because of a cut,
    3 is due to exhaution by his opponents because of the pace...

    since he put on those shoulders and biceps...
    his record
    41 wins - 3 losses - 2 draws - 32 ko
    only one win that is not a ko since the first loss - amazing

    lesson:
    dont look up on coward fighters, their fooling you
    respect smaller fighters cuz their the real force plus their good for boxing
    ala mike tyson 5'9", 95% pure muscle


    floyd mayweather jr. - the smartest boxer in the world
    36 wins - 24 ko
    undeafeated
    started as a super featherweight..
    won by TKO 22 out of 24 times..

    see? TKO... my boy aint got the power pac has... even in his super featherweight days, hes not a 1 punch ko artist...

    plus he needs to lose weight... it will affect his chin, stamina, speed, POWER.........
    bad fight!!! i hope its really impossible.
    finally someone in to details as much as i am...so many fans are fooled on how good floyd is...already blinding them self on contenders with true gifts to beat floyd p4p...

    name a few guys who have "the gifts" to beat floyd (who is the most gifted fighter in the sport today"
    im just curious and am interested in your feedback
    paC

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyboNe
    Quote Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
    Quote Originally Posted by babyboNe
    Quote Originally Posted by _the_answer_
    ASK THE TRAINER

    my goodness!!!

    i really cant figure out why you guys have that stupid idea that the size of the body frame counts more than the % of lean muscles mass?!
    cmon its just the bones not muscles!!!

    need a little physiology in here...
    -muscles are the tissues responsible for power and speed!!!
    your skeletal system just serves as an attachment to your muscles,
    thus the amount of muscle mass you can add depends on the size (length and girth) of your bones....

    so i really cant figure it out why you guys kept on bashing on boxers who has small body frames and is fighting a bigger opponent...
    most of you guys dont really box in reality right?

    ok,
    pac is fighting at the 130 limit...
    but come fight night, he weighs around 142...

    - adding those weight in a rush is a strategy used by trainers to add stability on their fighters chin and knees... it also helps a bit on the body shots absorb by the body...

    the heavier you are = the more stable you are
    the lighter you are = the less stable you are
    *when you get hit
    (this is so logical, you dont have to be good in physics to get the point)

    pac adds 12 pounds after the official weigh in - it is not muscle
    now hes fighting at 135 - that means +5 in training, +7 after the weigh in
    yes, that is another 5 pounds of pure muscle, means more power and speed

    its also true that a ko punch is inborn and is usually a special 'gift'....
    cuz if not then every boxer in the world may possess a ko punch right now...

    the other point here is that boxers who looks thin at the weigh in doesnt really fit the division.
    they are forcing themselves in a crash diet and starvation just to make the weight limit...
    why? because they are F****** coward!!!
    they want to fight smaller opponents!!!
    cuz they really dont possess the punching power and the chin to last against opponents with the same size as they are...

    example? look at

    morales - he never koed anyone at 130 (opponents near his size)... barrera, hernandez, in jin chi...
    not even against ayala who is really small in stature... his koes mostly came from his 122
    pounds and below - days where he is just too big for everybody... he cant even ko pac who
    as we all know is a natural featherweight...
    - but consider morales's frame, if he bulks up with 'real muscles', he'll surely be at the 140-147
    division... do you think he can last for atleast 8 rounds against floyd, cotto, or even corrales?
    i dont think so... we dont think so..

    castillo - we all know the trouble hes in now for not making the weight limit against corrales...
    he said he is really too big to be a lightweight... but why the hell he is forcing himself at the
    division if he is? cuz hes another coward!!!
    - remember that he wants to fight corrales with him weighing 139. thats bullshit!!! if you want
    to weigh the weight that you prefer then fight someone of the same weight!!! cuz he knows
    the the likes of cotto are waiting up there thats why...

    even pac did fight smaller opponents when hes at the 108-115 limit...
    he was so damn thin!!! yah he was fast...
    but the punches? his record? kazoomm!!!!
    12 wins - 1 loss - 4 ko
    8 by decision
    all TKOes by the way...
    one due to a stoppage because of a cut,
    3 is due to exhaution by his opponents because of the pace...

    since he put on those shoulders and biceps...
    his record
    41 wins - 3 losses - 2 draws - 32 ko
    only one win that is not a ko since the first loss - amazing

    lesson:
    dont look up on coward fighters, their fooling you
    respect smaller fighters cuz their the real force plus their good for boxing
    ala mike tyson 5'9", 95% pure muscle


    floyd mayweather jr. - the smartest boxer in the world
    36 wins - 24 ko
    undeafeated
    started as a super featherweight..
    won by TKO 22 out of 24 times..

    see? TKO... my boy aint got the power pac has... even in his super featherweight days, hes not a 1 punch ko artist...

    plus he needs to lose weight... it will affect his chin, stamina, speed, POWER.........
    bad fight!!! i hope its really impossible.
    finally someone in to details as much as i am...so many fans are fooled on how good floyd is...already blinding them self on contenders with true gifts to beat floyd p4p...

    name a few guys who have "the gifts" to beat floyd (who is the most gifted fighter in the sport today"
    im just curious and am interested in your feedback
    paC

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    Default Re: Floyd Mayweather Junior wants Manny Pac(that's what it says!)

    Quote Originally Posted by _the_answer_
    ASK THE TRAINER

    my goodness!!!

    i really cant figure out why you guys have that stupid idea that the size of the body frame counts more than the % of lean muscles mass?!
    cmon its just the bones not muscles!!!

    need a little physiology in here...
    -muscles are the tissues responsible for power and speed!!!
    your skeletal system just serves as an attachment to your muscles,
    thus the amount of muscle mass you can add depends on the size (length and girth) of your bones....

    so i really cant figure it out why you guys kept on bashing on boxers who has small body frames and is fighting a bigger opponent...
    most of you guys dont really box in reality right?

    ok,
    pac is fighting at the 130 limit...
    but come fight night, he weighs around 142...

    - adding those weight in a rush is a strategy used by trainers to add stability on their fighters chin and knees... it also helps a bit on the body shots absorb by the body...

    the heavier you are = the more stable you are
    the lighter you are = the less stable you are
    *when you get hit
    (this is so logical, you dont have to be good in physics to get the point)

    pac adds 12 pounds after the official weigh in - it is not muscle
    now hes fighting at 135 - that means +5 in training, +7 after the weigh in
    yes, that is another 5 pounds of pure muscle, means more power and speed

    its also true that a ko punch is inborn and is usually a special 'gift'....
    cuz if not then every boxer in the world may possess a ko punch right now...

    the other point here is that boxers who looks thin at the weigh in doesnt really fit the division.
    they are forcing themselves in a crash diet and starvation just to make the weight limit...
    why? because they are fuckin coward!!!
    they want to fight smaller opponents!!!
    cuz they really dont possess the punching power and the chin to last against opponents with the same size as they are...

    example? look at

    morales - he never koed anyone at 130 (opponents near his size)... barrera, hernandez, in jin chi...
    not even against ayala who is really small in stature... his koes mostly came from his 122
    pounds and below - days where he is just too big for everybody... he cant even ko pac who
    as we all know is a natural featherweight...
    - but consider morales's frame, if he bulks up with 'real muscles', he'll surely be at the 140-147
    division... do you think he can last for atleast 8 rounds against floyd, cotto, or even corrales?
    i dont think so... we dont think so..

    castillo - we all know the trouble hes in now for not making the weight limit against corrales...
    he said he is really too big to be a lightweight... but why the hell he is forcing himself at the
    division if he is? cuz hes another coward!!!
    - remember that he wants to fight corrales with him weighing 139. thats bullshit!!! if you want
    to weigh the weight that you prefer then fight someone of the same weight!!! cuz he knows
    the the likes of cotto are waiting up there thats why...

    even pac did fight smaller opponents when hes at the 108-115 limit...
    he was so damn thin!!! yah he was fast...
    but the punches? his record? kazoomm!!!!
    12 wins - 1 loss - 4 ko
    8 by decision
    all TKOes by the way...
    one due to a stoppage because of a cut,
    3 is due to exhaution by his opponents because of the pace...

    since he put on those shoulders and biceps...
    his record
    41 wins - 3 losses - 2 draws - 32 ko
    only one win that is not a ko since the first loss - amazing

    lesson:
    dont look up on coward fighters, their fooling you
    respect smaller fighters cuz their the real force plus their good for boxing
    ala mike tyson 5'9", 95% pure muscle


    floyd mayweather jr. - the smartest boxer in the world
    36 wins - 24 ko
    undeafeated
    started as a super featherweight..
    won by TKO 22 out of 24 times..

    see? TKO... my boy aint got the power pac has... even in his super featherweight days, hes not a 1 punch ko artist...

    plus he needs to lose weight... it will affect his chin, stamina, speed, POWER.........
    bad fight!!! i hope its really impossible.
    Funny dude. You say all fighters that slim down to make weight and come to the fight 12 pounds over are cowards then u bring up Cotto and don't put him in with that crowd

    Mayweather weighs 145 for a fight and comes in 147, it doesn't change the fact that by natural he's bigger then everyone else. And Floyd has had power to drop his foes even if he didn't KO them, he has power. but Pacquiao who you say comes into a fight much bigger Floyd still would be the hardest and fastest fighter and most accurate and best defensively sound fighter that Pacquiao ever faced Floyd has fought people MUCH bigger then Pacquiao, the natural 140 pounders that come into the fight weighing 154 Pacquiao hasn't even scratched the surface of the people Floyd has fought if you're talking about the weight of fighters In fact many people say Floyd is fighting outside of the weight he should and he's still beating fighters, you put him in the ring with Pacquiao and Pacquiao doesn't stand a chance at all I'm pretty sure Pacquiao wouldn't beat Raheem, why would he beat Mayweather

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    CC ,godbless you starr!! ..i didnt even finish reading all that so i didnt respond ,but i' glad u picked through it lol

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    I hope this happens after the PAC vs EM 3 and PAC vs MAB 2....

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    Starr has more or less covered my opinions....

    Thanks Starr! You Muppet! :P

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