Who won? Froch? Or Dirrell?

[killersheep]

Dirrell won the race, Froch won the fight. I'm a fan of niether and voted for draw. Dirrell is the better boxer, but at least Froch showed up with an expectation of giving a few and taking a few.
If this happened in an alley with no ref, Froch would have probably killed Dirrell. If this happened in an empty football stadium with 100 refs, Froch would have never gotten within 50 feet of Dirrell.

With the inclusion of boxing rules and a ref, its hard to give the fight to Froch. With the basic assumption that a boxing match is a fight, You can't give it to Dirrell. With boxing closer to a fight than a footrace, I have to say Froch showed up to fight and Dirrell showed up looking for protection for the ref in order to preserve his style.

Ok so Froch wins if we don't have rules? But since there are rules, Dirrell wins and since you don't like them it's a draw? Did I understand you correctly, I'm a little confused by what you are saying to be honest.

[J_Undisputed]

Dirrell won the race, Froch won the fight. I'm a fan of niether and voted for draw. Dirrell is the better boxer, but at least Froch showed up with an expectation of giving a few and taking a few.
If this happened in an alley with no ref, Froch would have probably killed Dirrell. If this happened in an empty football stadium with 100 refs, Froch would have never gotten within 50 feet of Dirrell.

With the inclusion of boxing rules and a ref, its hard to give the fight to Froch. With the basic assumption that a boxing match is a fight, You can't give it to Dirrell. With boxing closer to a fight than a footrace, I have to say Froch showed up to fight and Dirrell showed up looking for protection for the ref in order to preserve his style.

Ok so Froch wins if we don't have rules? But since there are rules, Dirrell wins and since you don't like them it's a draw? Did I understand you correctly, I'm a little confused by what you are saying to be honest.

I'm saying, I called it a draw because niether really did enough to win this contest in my opinion. Rules or no rules.. you have to actually engage someone to call it a fight. While Froch came closest to trying do that in my eyes and while I didn't frown on the rabbit punches because of clinging of Dirrell... from the aspect of a boxing match, you cant really score/include those as landed punches. Dirrells David Reid running imitation and then Ruiz's hugging imitation doesn't really kills any points i was willing to give him. Had I been the ref, I'd have deducted so many points, it probably would have been a race to see who would get DQ'd first. So I call it a draw (the non combatitive tendcies of Dirrell canceling out the ineptitude of Froch. Not sure which is the bigger crime, having skills and choosing to run instead or not having the skills to complete and losing the inspiration to try because you cant run that fast).

Pretty sure that did nothing to clarify it ..lol .. but I just as soon wish this fight never happened as I can't give it to either in good consicence.

[mexirican]

I think after aching the fight for a second time it was even more convincing that Dirrell got majorly screwed

[The Fightfan]

I am not a Froch fan by any stretch but what he said at the end of the fight to me rung true. I seen Dirrell running and complaining when he was the one holding on for dear life on the inside.Or if Dirrell even got wind Froch was getting close he ran,held,and even fell at one point. I could have had it either way but at the end of the fight I gave it to Froch by 1 point.

[Mar]

Bunch of great points in this thread...but all we have to do is look it up on boxrec, that will tell you who won for all that really matters. For those thinking it was a rip, not to worry he got two points for the win and it's not like he'll be getting any if very many more. Remember froch did win but look at who it was againt, a fighter with a handfull of fights, and almost all of them against guys no one knows. Good to get a victory but i think it will be short lived. I doubt direll since the olympics has even been out of the country to visit somewhere else let alone fight there. He handled the pressure and fighting past i think like the 10th against a champ for the first time.

[ryanman]

Ya maybe, but that iza sweet stache you got going on.

I should hope so, being of hispanic descent, I have had it since I was 12.

I want a mustache so bad. I keep shaving my bare upper lip and nothing grows. Thinking bout tattooing one there. Irish/French/Belgian/+mix of all sorts including native(my great greatgrandfemales were all colorblind apparantly). Oh, and yea...good case for the effective aggression.

Carefull not to grow one until you can do it properly. Nothing worse than cultivating a few wispy hairs. Generally speaking, the day you think you can grow decent facial hair is about two years before you can actually do it. I see a lot of bad teenage moustaches. By the time you realise thats what you have its too late. The memories might fade but the photos will live forever. be warned.

[killersheep]

I should hope so, being of hispanic descent, I have had it since I was 12.

I want a mustache so bad. I keep shaving my bare upper lip and nothing grows. Thinking bout tattooing one there. Irish/French/Belgian/+mix of all sorts including native(my great greatgrandfemales were all colorblind apparantly). Oh, and yea...good case for the effective aggression.

Carefull not to grow one until you can do it properly. Nothing worse than cultivating a few wispy hairs. Generally speaking, the day you think you can grow decent facial hair is about two years before you can actually do it. I see a lot of bad teenage moustaches. By the time you realise thats what you have its too late. The memories might fade but the photos will live forever. be warned.

That's one idea, also keep in mind if you grow out a rat tail it will make the moustache look fuller and less wispy. If you combine that with some daisy dukes and an jean vest you'll be beating the girlies off with a stick.

Apparently that statement is open to interpretation.

[JazMerkin]

I want a mustache so bad. I keep shaving my bare upper lip and nothing grows. Thinking bout tattooing one there. Irish/French/Belgian/+mix of all sorts including native(my great greatgrandfemales were all colorblind apparantly). Oh, and yea...good case for the effective aggression.

Carefull not to grow one until you can do it properly. Nothing worse than cultivating a few wispy hairs. Generally speaking, the day you think you can grow decent facial hair is about two years before you can actually do it. I see a lot of bad teenage moustaches. By the time you realise thats what you have its too late. The memories might fade but the photos will live forever. be warned.

That's one idea, also keep in mind if you grow out a rat tail it will make the moustache look fuller and less wispy. If you combine that with some daisy dukes and an jean vest you'll be beating the girlies off with a stick.

Apparently that statement is open to interpretation.

Kudos to both you & Ryanman... I'm seeing people turn up & this thread & thinks its the place to talk about boxing, the cheek of it!

I'm glad we still have some members devoted to what this thread is really about

[ryanman]

Carefull not to grow one until you can do it properly. Nothing worse than cultivating a few wispy hairs. Generally speaking, the day you think you can grow decent facial hair is about two years before you can actually do it. I see a lot of bad teenage moustaches. By the time you realise thats what you have its too late. The memories might fade but the photos will live forever. be warned.

That's one idea, also keep in mind if you grow out a rat tail it will make the moustache look fuller and less wispy. If you combine that with some daisy dukes and an jean vest you'll be beating the girlies off with a stick.

Apparently that statement is open to interpretation.

Kudos to both you & Ryanman... I'm seeing people turn up & this thread & thinks its the place to talk about boxing, the cheek of it!

I'm glad we still have some members devoted to what this thread is really about

Thank you, i appreciate your kind words. I was somewhat dismayed this morning to see the insane actions of some members that simply talked about the fight result. Rest assured i shall be staying up all night tonight to ensure the same doesn't happen again.

[killersheep]

Carefull not to grow one until you can do it properly. Nothing worse than cultivating a few wispy hairs. Generally speaking, the day you think you can grow decent facial hair is about two years before you can actually do it. I see a lot of bad teenage moustaches. By the time you realise thats what you have its too late. The memories might fade but the photos will live forever. be warned.

That's one idea, also keep in mind if you grow out a rat tail it will make the moustache look fuller and less wispy. If you combine that with some daisy dukes and an jean vest you'll be beating the girlies off with a stick.

Apparently that statement is open to interpretation.

Kudos to both you & Ryanman... I'm seeing people turn up & this thread & thinks its the place to talk about boxing, the cheek of it!

I'm glad we still have some members devoted to what this thread is really about

Nothing but the facts Jaz, nothing but the facts.

[Unknowndonor]

The fight was garbage with a bad decision. Froch sucks, and Dirrel was scared to fight, but easily won almost every round. Froch has no chance of winning this thing without more payoffs for the judges. He really disappointed me. As tough as Froch may be (chin and power), Dirrel made him look like an amateur. Hopefully Dirrel will stand and deliver a little more next fight. And to be honest, if Dirrel stood his ground a little more, it would have been more lopsided win for Dirrel. Froch sucks. I cant see him beating Abraham or Kessler, but I didn't see him winning this fight either.

[blegit]

No matter if you want to give it to Froch or not. It can not be denied that Froch knows nothing about how to cut off a ring. Froch has to learn how to impose his style on a guy who uses footwork. Any fighter should know how to stop a guy from using every inch of that ring. Every fighter should have learned how to at least cut the ring down. Froch was clueless.

[blegit]

Although Dirrell clearly won that fight he does need to take more chances especially if you are going into someone's backyard. He's probably beating himself up now.

[HattonTheHammer]

114-113 froch

[No Contest]

How come whenever they make a mention that the judges are multi-national, there usually seems to be a scoring controversy. Of course the german judge scored it for the white guy. Now you know why guys like RJJ and BHop dont go to Europe unless theres crazy money to be had.