Anyone catch Panorama last night very shocked at what I saw

[Fenster]

Was it more than those gangs of kids abusing them?

I'm pretty sure those types of kids would pick on just about anyone hanging around "their" area.

The racism/disgraceful behaviour stems from having scumbag pig ignorant parents/upbringing.

[Saddo]

didn't see it but that vid was bad enough...

i hate shit like that i mean can you even imagine walking down the street with your partner knowing that you could get jumped on and stabed etc... not to mention how the loss of pride would make you feel as a man.

fucking stinks IMO

[Drago]

i have recorded this programme & will report as soon as watched

[Fenster]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

[Gandalf]

The young people of Britain are everything that is wrong with the place. Of course, that is a generalisation but what an unpleasant place it is with those types of ignorant little shits everywhere. And I include most of their parents in the list of wrong 'uns too.

The UK is fucked up. I have never in my time in Korea ever been anywhere where I am fearful of gangs of fucked up teenagers. The most insulting thing a kid has ever said to me is "Hello". I'm always complaining about the racist media out here, but give me that over swarthes of youngsters teeming with hate anyday!

Life must be so difficult for too many in the UK who just "don't fit" and where people target them just for being a bit different. It's very, very sad. I don't think I will ever return permanently. The UK is a wonderful place if you just subtract 70% of the population.

[CFH]

The young people of Britain are everything that is wrong with the place. Of course, that is a generalisation but what an unpleasant place it is with those types of ignorant little shits everywhere. And I include most of their parents in the list of wrong 'uns too.

The UK is fucked up. I have never in my time in Korea ever been anywhere where I am fearful of gangs of fucked up teenagers. The most insulting thing a kid has ever said to me is "Hello". I'm always complaining about the racist media out here, but give me that over swarthes of youngsters teeming with hate anyday!

Life must be so difficult for too many in the UK who just "don't fit" and where people target them just for being a bit different. It's very, very sad. I don't think I will ever return permanently. The UK is a wonderful place if you just subtract 70% of the population.

Personally I blame all the expat English teachers but what do I know, being a Canadian I should probably just be happy that I'm sober enough to type...

We have a lot of racism around here as well. Primarily it's directed at the indigenous peoples, but people also seem to direct it at the Indian and Asian communities as well. One thing I've noticed over the last few years is a sharp rise in xenophobic and anti-immigrant attitudes, which is painfully ironic to say the least given many peoples views towards the First Nations...

[Gandalf]

The young people of Britain are everything that is wrong with the place. Of course, that is a generalisation but what an unpleasant place it is with those types of ignorant little shits everywhere. And I include most of their parents in the list of wrong 'uns too.

The UK is fucked up. I have never in my time in Korea ever been anywhere where I am fearful of gangs of fucked up teenagers. The most insulting thing a kid has ever said to me is "Hello". I'm always complaining about the racist media out here, but give me that over swarthes of youngsters teeming with hate anyday!

Life must be so difficult for too many in the UK who just "don't fit" and where people target them just for being a bit different. It's very, very sad. I don't think I will ever return permanently. The UK is a wonderful place if you just subtract 70% of the population.

Personally I blame all the expat English teachers but what do I know, being a Canadian I should probably just be happy that I'm sober enough to type...

We have a lot of racism around here as well. Primarily it's directed at the indigenous peoples, but people also seem to direct it at the Indian and Asian communities as well. One thing I've noticed over the last few years is a sharp rise in xenophobic and anti-immigrant attitudes, which is painfully ironic to say the least given many peoples views towards the First Nations...

Yep, blame it on the English teachers!

I comment on the UK being somewhat distanced, but I recall life living in big cities and follow the media voraciously. This Panorama programme shows nothing unexpected when it comes to life in probably too many parts of the UK. The UK can be such a grim and unpleasant place to be, even for those of the acceptable ethnic look. Our societies like to think of themselves as tolerant or developed and racism is now such a dirty word in the printed media, but on the streets I would imagine it is a very common thing. It isn't very enlightened at all.

With the UK it isn't just the racism, it's that underlying simmering violence that comes with it, ready to explode at any point. Why kids are allowed to hang around shops of an evening is beyond me? Don't they have homework to do or families to spend time with? Instead they prefer to hang out doing nothing waiting for trouble to come along in the form of people going to the shop. It's insane, it really is. I couldn't imagine groups of kids getting drunk all evening outside a shop in Korea. All the old people would beat them into line and the parents would be dragging them home, belt in hand, telling them how they have brought shame on their family. Seriously.

[Andre]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

Yep its a two way street, with two opposing agendas, each strengthens the other, which also allows them to hide from the one reason they want to continue doing it, which is their continued insanity in hiding from whats real.

[JazMerkin]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

Disagree here Fenster. You have to remember they were living on a council estate & in the real world ethnic minorities have to walk past those same places to get home. They were hardly hanging around there, they tended to be walking through. I do agree that the guy hung on a bit long after he got punched, you'd imagine most people would have run, but not all would, it was far from 10 minutes, it was more 45 seconds which was too much of that thug's time so he decided to punch him (fuckin piss weak it was as well)

I also don't think the woman was standing still, she genuinely seemed intimidated by the kids. I think second-guessing how people react in those situations is always a bit difficult, I've seen a lot of people, particularly women freeze up in situations. The reason I thought she was genuinely frightened was because her accent started slipping from the fake one she had on.

Talking of which, that was the only thing about the programme that annoyed me. I didn't get why they didn't talk in the normal accent. I'd like to see what the guys would have said back had they come out talking as they did.

That 11 year old is a disaster waiting to happen. He looks a cert for a young offender's institution & from there it only takes one racist comment for him to end up doing life for murder or in the morgue himself.

I don't think their reactions were untypical though. Many people would stand their ground, regardless of if someone is an immigrant or not, they still have the pride that they might well stand up to people. How many of you would really not say something if a bunch of kids was saying that?
They did make a point that the estate was notorious for racism & that they still met many decent people. I also think they went a bit hard on Trevor Phillips over ONE comment. I know from my girlfriend's experience, that even in some parts of London, Asian people experience particularly aggressive racism, possibly due to their respective stereotypes in comparisom to black people.

I wouldn't call it eye-opening, I think most of us knew it was happening, but I think it also shows how different Britain is. Even 10-15 years ago there would be plenty of people saying 'boys will be boys' or 'they're just kids' to try & excuse it. Now, even the notorious racist CFH isn't coming out with that

[HattonTheHammer]

Horrible, horrible stuff

council estate scum at the very worst. Castrate the parents and drown the kids in bin bags

nobody should have to put up with that kind of sh*t

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Horrible, horrible stuff

council estate scum at the very worst. Castrate the parents and drown the kids in bin bags

nobody should have to put up with that kind of sh*t

Vote for Hatton!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

Disagree here Fenster. You have to remember they were living on a council estate & in the real world ethnic minorities have to walk past those same places to get home. They were hardly hanging around there, they tended to be walking through. I do agree that the guy hung on a bit long after he got punched, you'd imagine most people would have run, but not all would, it was far from 10 minutes, it was more 45 seconds which was too much of that thug's time so he decided to punch him (fuckin piss weak it was as well)

I also don't think the woman was standing still, she genuinely seemed intimidated by the kids. I think second-guessing how people react in those situations is always a bit difficult, I've seen a lot of people, particularly women freeze up in situations. The reason I thought she was genuinely frightened was because her accent started slipping from the fake one she had on.

Talking of which, that was the only thing about the programme that annoyed me. I didn't get why they didn't talk in the normal accent. I'd like to see what the guys would have said back had they come out talking as they did.

That 11 year old is a disaster waiting to happen. He looks a cert for a young offender's institution & from there it only takes one racist comment for him to end up doing life for murder or in the morgue himself.

I don't think their reactions were untypical though. Many people would stand their ground, regardless of if someone is an immigrant or not, they still have the pride that they might well stand up to people. How many of you would really not say something if a bunch of kids was saying that?
They did make a point that the estate was notorious for racism & that they still met many decent people. I also think they went a bit hard on Trevor Phillips over ONE comment. I know from my girlfriend's experience, that even in some parts of London, Asian people experience particularly aggressive racism, possibly due to their respective stereotypes in comparisom to black people.

I wouldn't call it eye-opening, I think most of us knew it was happening, but I think it also shows how different Britain is. Even 10-15 years ago there would be plenty of people saying 'boys will be boys' or 'they're just kids' to try & excuse it. Now, even the notorious racist CFH isn't coming out with that

we can only hope karma kicks his ass.

[Fenster]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

Disagree here Fenster. You have to remember they were living on a council estate & in the real world ethnic minorities have to walk past those same places to get home. They were hardly hanging around there, they tended to be walking through. I do agree that the guy hung on a bit long after he got punched, you'd imagine most people would have run, but not all would, it was far from 10 minutes, it was more 45 seconds which was too much of that thug's time so he decided to punch him (fuckin piss weak it was as well)

I also don't think the woman was standing still, she genuinely seemed intimidated by the kids. I think second-guessing how people react in those situations is always a bit difficult, I've seen a lot of people, particularly women freeze up in situations. The reason I thought she was genuinely frightened was because her accent started slipping from the fake one she had on.

Talking of which, that was the only thing about the programme that annoyed me. I didn't get why they didn't talk in the normal accent. I'd like to see what the guys would have said back had they come out talking as they did.

That 11 year old is a disaster waiting to happen. He looks a cert for a young offender's institution & from there it only takes one racist comment for him to end up doing life for murder or in the morgue himself.

I don't think their reactions were untypical though. Many people would stand their ground, regardless of if someone is an immigrant or not, they still have the pride that they might well stand up to people. How many of you would really not say something if a bunch of kids was saying that?
They did make a point that the estate was notorious for racism & that they still met many decent people. I also think they went a bit hard on Trevor Phillips over ONE comment. I know from my girlfriend's experience, that even in some parts of London, Asian people experience particularly aggressive racism, possibly due to their respective stereotypes in comparisom to black people.

I wouldn't call it eye-opening, I think most of us knew it was happening, but I think it also shows how different Britain is. Even 10-15 years ago there would be plenty of people saying 'boys will be boys' or 'they're just kids' to try & excuse it. Now, even the notorious racist CFH isn't coming out with that

I was probably a bit harsh on the woman considering she got water-bombed and they tried to snatch her purse.

But her pretending to not speak English fuelled the little cunts bullying. It seemed to make him feel he could intimidate her more. If she hadn't just kept repeating "no" maybe that situation would have played out different. Obviously she was portraying the nightmare for non-English speaking ethnic minorities, but would someone that REALLY couldn't speak English, someone NOT secretly filming have acted like that? I'm not sure.

The guy stopped to ask why they told him to walk in the road. IF he was suffering weeks of abuse and finally decided to confront the lowlifes, his actions would have been understandable. Or if he thought fuck this i'm not letting these cunts speak to me like that, his actions would have been understandable. But he acted like a thicko.

Basically what I'm saying is they acted like two well educated undercover reporters playing passive roles to get a story. And therefore some of the situations were intensified. Judging by the replies it was an eye-opener for many just how disgusting the abuse is that many people have to suffer. So that's a good thing.

[Kev]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

Disagree here Fenster. You have to remember they were living on a council estate & in the real world ethnic minorities have to walk past those same places to get home. They were hardly hanging around there, they tended to be walking through. I do agree that the guy hung on a bit long after he got punched, you'd imagine most people would have run, but not all would, it was far from 10 minutes, it was more 45 seconds which was too much of that thug's time so he decided to punch him (fuckin piss weak it was as well)

I also don't think the woman was standing still, she genuinely seemed intimidated by the kids. I think second-guessing how people react in those situations is always a bit difficult, I've seen a lot of people, particularly women freeze up in situations. The reason I thought she was genuinely frightened was because her accent started slipping from the fake one she had on.

Talking of which, that was the only thing about the programme that annoyed me. I didn't get why they didn't talk in the normal accent. I'd like to see what the guys would have said back had they come out talking as they did.

That 11 year old is a disaster waiting to happen. He looks a cert for a young offender's institution & from there it only takes one racist comment for him to end up doing life for murder or in the morgue himself.

I don't think their reactions were untypical though. Many people would stand their ground, regardless of if someone is an immigrant or not, they still have the pride that they might well stand up to people. How many of you would really not say something if a bunch of kids was saying that?
They did make a point that the estate was notorious for racism & that they still met many decent people. I also think they went a bit hard on Trevor Phillips over ONE comment. I know from my girlfriend's experience, that even in some parts of London, Asian people experience particularly aggressive racism, possibly due to their respective stereotypes in comparisom to black people.

I wouldn't call it eye-opening, I think most of us knew it was happening, but I think it also shows how different Britain is. Even 10-15 years ago there would be plenty of people saying 'boys will be boys' or 'they're just kids' to try & excuse it. Now, even the notorious racist CFH isn't coming out with that

I was probably a bit harsh on the woman considering she got water-bombed and they tried to snatch her purse.

But her pretending to not speak English fuelled the little cunts bullying. It seemed to make him feel he could intimidate her more. If she hadn't just kept repeating "no" maybe that situation would have played out different. Obviously she was portraying the nightmare for non-English speaking ethnic minorities, but would someone that REALLY couldn't speak English, someone NOT secretly filming have acted like that? I'm not sure.

The guy stopped to ask why they told him to walk in the road. IF he was suffering weeks of abuse and finally decided to confront the lowlifes, his actions would have been understandable. Or if he thought fuck this i'm not letting these cunts speak to me like that, his actions would have been understandable. But he acted like a thicko.

Basically what I'm saying is they acted like two well educated undercover reporters playing passive roles to get a story. And therefore some of the situations were intensified. Judging by the replies it was an eye-opener for many just how disgusting the abuse is that many people have to suffer. So that's a good thing.

Fenst this reminds of an 'expose' of the Royal Mail a couple years. Again some undercover reporters got jobs there and one cited how she was given her mail route and no directions about how to get to the streets etc. She just wondered around aimlessly for hours and couldn't deliver anything because of this, saying how bad it was that the managers had just given a route with no training.

I was screaming at the telly at the stupid bitch, saying 'Use your fucking initiative you dumb bitch and go in a shop and pick up a fucking streetmap!!!'

That just pissed me off, ok they were chronically shortstaffed and didn't have time to train her but you'd hope a real new adultemployee would at least try and think for themselves....

[Kev]

I watched all of it on !Player.

The thing that bothers me about these programs is how the confrontations arise.

When the guy got punched he had spent 10 minutes asking the cunts why they told him to walk in the road. Would any normal person without a hidden agenda have acted like that? I think most sane people would have walked on avoiding any contact with the clearly hostile morons.

Who hangs around closed shops on a friday night where a bunch of drunk teenagers are? Is that not asking for trouble?

And the woman was obviously tracking down where those kids were. When the little cunt was bullying her she was standing still trying to get as much abuse footage on tape as possible. In reality she would have hurried on down the street, no?

So you're left with - some of the people in those those largely white communities are lowlife ignorant scumbag racists. Shock!!!

I've not seen the show but I agree with what you are saying Fenster.

Even here in Torquay we have rowdy chav kid gangs who regularly make the papers for beating someone up. I've seen a crowd of them out once and just didn't walk down that road. I have no doubt that if I wondered up to them and attempted to chat to them for 10 minutes they would beat the crap out of me and I'm whiter than white.

In the interest of bias and not wanting to present a false picture they should get other people to wonder down that street and see what reactions they get.

Send a tramp down, maybe an old tin can lady, a really obese guy, a girl with ginger hair and see what abuse they get. Sure they won't be called 'Paki' but they will have chips and insults hurled at them just the same.