Worst Boxing Robberies. Fact.

[AdamGB]

You can list all of the robberies and fights that you want to - but we're only talking about high profile fights here...

Even if America has had twice as many 'robberies'... it's probably had 20 times as many high profile international fights as Germany etc.

So statistically - just listing the countries in which robberies have happened and tallying them is gash.
No smoke with out fire.

Tallying the countries isn't the point. Forrest Gump can workout America will have more robberies due to more high-profile fights. Fuck sake

I'm trying to establish if the attitude of American's thinking they have no chance of getting a decision in Europe, or Brits thinking they need a KO to get a draw in Germany is actually based on any facts?

We should have MORE than a couple of instances, no?

Really? I got the feeling you were insinuating that there has been more in the USA so that it must make the stigma that you get bad decisions in Europe baseless.

You should outline the point you're trying to make at the start of your thread. Otherwise it gets a bit vague.

All I can say is, where has this stigma came from?

[Fenster]

You can list all of the robberies and fights that you want to - but we're only talking about high profile fights here...

Even if America has had twice as many 'robberies'... it's probably had 20 times as many high profile international fights as Germany etc.

So statistically - just listing the countries in which robberies have happened and tallying them is gash.
No smoke with out fire.

Tallying the countries isn't the point. Forrest Gump can workout America will have more robberies due to more high-profile fights. Fuck sake

I'm trying to establish if the attitude of American's thinking they have no chance of getting a decision in Europe, or Brits thinking they need a KO to get a draw in Germany is actually based on any facts?

We should have MORE than a couple of instances, no?

Really? I got the feeling you were insinuating that there has been more in the USA so that it must make the stigma that you get bad decisions in Europe baseless.

You should outline the point you're trying to make at the start of your thread. Otherwise it gets a bit vague.

All I can say is, where has this stigma came from?

Hmm.. not even I'm that thick.

Where has this stigma come from? Precisely. That's what I would like to find out. Surely someone here knows?

[JT Rock]

Maybe I should spell it out

I dont care what it is, the judges, the promoters, the ref etc.. Its dodgy and you know it.. Boxing is a corrupt business no matter where, but it sucks that when a fighter goes to europe he knows he needs a KO just to earn a draw.

You were given examples but to categorize every single fight is going to be difficult, and I'll bet you a million bucks that the stigma started decades before this forum was created.. So its not like a few of us yanks around here started a whisper campaign about it and now its full fire.

[Youngblood]

haha...

nice name .



I remember someone else had it once, can't recall exactly who. But yea, don't be trying to claim the arcade scores they got with that name at the time.

[JT Rock]

haha...

nice name .



I remember someone else had it once, can't recall exactly who. But yea, don't be trying to claim the arcade scores they got with that name at the time.

I forgot we had an arcade

I got owned by Spicoli because of the NY Giants

[Fenster]

Maybe I should spell it out

I dont care what it is, the judges, the promoters, the ref etc.. Its dodgy and you know it.. Boxing is a corrupt business no matter where, but it sucks that when a fighter goes to europe he knows he needs a KO just to earn a draw.

You were given examples but to categorize every single fight is going to be difficult, and I'll bet you a million bucks that the stigma started decades before this forum was created.. So its not like a few of us yanks around here started a whisper campaign about it and now its full fire.

This is not just about "yanks" believing you can't get a fair game in Europe.

From when I was a kid it's been common knowledge that "Brits can't get a decision in Germany/Italy".. it's still commonly said by fans, Journos and TV pundits. Froch has just said he refuses to fight Abraham in Germany because of dodgy decisions.

I want some evidence to back this claim up. I've shown in recent times Brits have got decisions in "world" title fights over there.

So far nobody has named any shocking robberies of Ameican's that would have been out of the norm in the USA.

I too think this idea stems from decades ago. But it might also be some unfounded prejudice nonsense that stuck over decades from one or two dodgy decisions that doesn't hold much weight anymore. So if we don't know where the belief originates from and can't back it up with our own evidence then we're being pretty ignorant, no?

[JT Rock]

Maybe I should spell it out

I dont care what it is, the judges, the promoters, the ref etc.. Its dodgy and you know it.. Boxing is a corrupt business no matter where, but it sucks that when a fighter goes to europe he knows he needs a KO just to earn a draw.

You were given examples but to categorize every single fight is going to be difficult, and I'll bet you a million bucks that the stigma started decades before this forum was created.. So its not like a few of us yanks around here started a whisper campaign about it and now its full fire.

This is not just about "yanks" believing you can't get a fair game in Europe.

From when I was a kid it's been common knowledge that "Brits can't get a decision in Germany/Italy".. it's still commonly said by fans, Journos and TV pundits. Froch has just said he refuses to fight Abraham in Germany because of dodgy decisions.

I want some evidence to back this claim up. I've shown in recent times Brits have got decisions in "world" title fights over there.

So far nobody has named any shocking robberies of Ameican's that would have been out of the norm in the USA.

I too think this idea stems from decades ago. But it might also be some unfounded prejudice nonsense that stuck over decades from one or two dodgy decisions that doesn't hold much weight anymore. So if we don't know where the belief originates from and can't back it up with our own evidence then we're being pretty ignorant, no?

I know you Fenster.. Thats a loaded question, its not that simple with you

[Fenster]

Maybe I should spell it out

I dont care what it is, the judges, the promoters, the ref etc.. Its dodgy and you know it.. Boxing is a corrupt business no matter where, but it sucks that when a fighter goes to europe he knows he needs a KO just to earn a draw.

You were given examples but to categorize every single fight is going to be difficult, and I'll bet you a million bucks that the stigma started decades before this forum was created.. So its not like a few of us yanks around here started a whisper campaign about it and now its full fire.

This is not just about "yanks" believing you can't get a fair game in Europe.

From when I was a kid it's been common knowledge that "Brits can't get a decision in Germany/Italy".. it's still commonly said by fans, Journos and TV pundits. Froch has just said he refuses to fight Abraham in Germany because of dodgy decisions.

I want some evidence to back this claim up. I've shown in recent times Brits have got decisions in "world" title fights over there.

So far nobody has named any shocking robberies of Ameican's that would have been out of the norm in the USA.

I too think this idea stems from decades ago. But it might also be some unfounded prejudice nonsense that stuck over decades from one or two dodgy decisions that doesn't hold much weight anymore. So if we don't know where the belief originates from and can't back it up with our own evidence then we're being pretty ignorant, no?

I know you Fenster.. Thats a loaded question, its not that simple with you

lol, I have no ulterior motive.

I would love for some definitive proof to back up this claim about robberies in Europe. Or at least some history to find out where this idea originated from.

[Kirkland Laing]

lol, I have no ulterior motive.

I would love for some definitive proof to back up this claim about robberies in Europe. Or at least some history to find out where this idea originated from.

I can remember Harry Carpenter and/or Reg Gutteridge saying something like "the old saying that you need a knockout to get a draw in Italy." It just fits in nicely with the general Italian stereotype of everything being corrupt (although that's an accurate stereotype ). I'm not sure how many fights from Italy the BBC and ITV covered in the post-war years but I don't think it was too many, maybe that "old saying" comes from boxers and cornermen who fought out there, lost close decisions and maybe thought they'd done better than they had done and they're not exactly unbiased observers. There probably were one or two outright robberies in Italy over the years but I'm sure close decisions in Italy and Germany go roughly the same way they do in Britain and America, and that all countries are pretty similar in this regard.

[johnmaff36]

Maybe I should spell it out

I dont care what it is, the judges, the promoters, the ref etc.. Its dodgy and you know it.. Boxing is a corrupt business no matter where, but it sucks that when a fighter goes to europe he knows he needs a KO just to earn a draw.

You were given examples but to categorize every single fight is going to be difficult, and I'll bet you a million bucks that the stigma started decades before this forum was created.. So its not like a few of us yanks around here started a whisper campaign about it and now its full fire.

This is not just about "yanks" believing you can't get a fair game in Europe.

From when I was a kid it's been common knowledge that "Brits can't get a decision in Germany/Italy".. it's still commonly said by fans, Journos and TV pundits. Froch has just said he refuses to fight Abraham in Germany because of dodgy decisions.

I want some evidence to back this claim up. I've shown in recent times Brits have got decisions in "world" title fights over there.

So far nobody has named any shocking robberies of Ameican's that would have been out of the norm in the USA.

I too think this idea stems from decades ago. But it might also be some unfounded prejudice nonsense that stuck over decades from one or two dodgy decisions that doesn't hold much weight anymore. So if we don't know where the belief originates from and can't back it up with our own evidence then we're being pretty ignorant, no?

The past 70 world title fights in Germany has had the 'outsider' win by decision just 3 times. Altogether its 11 wins but 8 were KOs

[Drago]

Ottke Reid Gemany (first one that i thought of when saw thread title)

[Fenster]

Maybe I should spell it out

I dont care what it is, the judges, the promoters, the ref etc.. Its dodgy and you know it.. Boxing is a corrupt business no matter where, but it sucks that when a fighter goes to europe he knows he needs a KO just to earn a draw.

You were given examples but to categorize every single fight is going to be difficult, and I'll bet you a million bucks that the stigma started decades before this forum was created.. So its not like a few of us yanks around here started a whisper campaign about it and now its full fire.

This is not just about "yanks" believing you can't get a fair game in Europe.

From when I was a kid it's been common knowledge that "Brits can't get a decision in Germany/Italy".. it's still commonly said by fans, Journos and TV pundits. Froch has just said he refuses to fight Abraham in Germany because of dodgy decisions.

I want some evidence to back this claim up. I've shown in recent times Brits have got decisions in "world" title fights over there.

So far nobody has named any shocking robberies of Ameican's that would have been out of the norm in the USA.

I too think this idea stems from decades ago. But it might also be some unfounded prejudice nonsense that stuck over decades from one or two dodgy decisions that doesn't hold much weight anymore. So if we don't know where the belief originates from and can't back it up with our own evidence then we're being pretty ignorant, no?

The past 70 world title fights in Germany has had the 'outsider' win by decision just 3 times. Altogether its 11 wins but 8 were KOs

Blimey, did you work that out yourself?

Good stuff mate.

It doesn't prove anything about robberies but it sure is an interesting statistic.