Worst Boxing Robberies. Fact.

[Fenster]

Maybe I should spell it out

I dont care what it is, the judges, the promoters, the ref etc.. Its dodgy and you know it.. Boxing is a corrupt business no matter where, but it sucks that when a fighter goes to europe he knows he needs a KO just to earn a draw.

You were given examples but to categorize every single fight is going to be difficult, and I'll bet you a million bucks that the stigma started decades before this forum was created.. So its not like a few of us yanks around here started a whisper campaign about it and now its full fire.

This is not just about "yanks" believing you can't get a fair game in Europe.

From when I was a kid it's been common knowledge that "Brits can't get a decision in Germany/Italy".. it's still commonly said by fans, Journos and TV pundits. Froch has just said he refuses to fight Abraham in Germany because of dodgy decisions.

I want some evidence to back this claim up. I've shown in recent times Brits have got decisions in "world" title fights over there.

So far nobody has named any shocking robberies of Ameican's that would have been out of the norm in the USA.

I too think this idea stems from decades ago. But it might also be some unfounded prejudice nonsense that stuck over decades from one or two dodgy decisions that doesn't hold much weight anymore. So if we don't know where the belief originates from and can't back it up with our own evidence then we're being pretty ignorant, no?

I know you Fenster.. Thats a loaded question, its not that simple with you

lol, I have no ulterior motive.

I would love for some definitive proof to back up this claim about robberies in Europe. Or at least some history to find out where this idea originated from.

[Kirkland Laing]

lol, I have no ulterior motive.

I would love for some definitive proof to back up this claim about robberies in Europe. Or at least some history to find out where this idea originated from.

I can remember Harry Carpenter and/or Reg Gutteridge saying something like "the old saying that you need a knockout to get a draw in Italy." It just fits in nicely with the general Italian stereotype of everything being corrupt (although that's an accurate stereotype ). I'm not sure how many fights from Italy the BBC and ITV covered in the post-war years but I don't think it was too many, maybe that "old saying" comes from boxers and cornermen who fought out there, lost close decisions and maybe thought they'd done better than they had done and they're not exactly unbiased observers. There probably were one or two outright robberies in Italy over the years but I'm sure close decisions in Italy and Germany go roughly the same way they do in Britain and America, and that all countries are pretty similar in this regard.

[Fenster]

lol, I have no ulterior motive.

I would love for some definitive proof to back up this claim about robberies in Europe. Or at least some history to find out where this idea originated from.

I can remember Harry Carpenter and/or Reg Gutteridge saying something like "the old saying that you need a knockout to get a draw in Italy." It just fits in nicely with the general Italian stereotype of everything being corrupt (although that's an accurate stereotype ). I'm not sure how many fights from Italy the BBC and ITV covered in the post-war years but I don't think it was too many, maybe that "old saying" comes from boxers and cornermen who fought out there, lost close decisions and maybe thought they'd done better than they had done and they're not exactly unbiased observers. There probably were one or two outright robberies in Italy over the years but I'm sure close decisions in Italy and Germany go roughly the same way they do in Britain and America, and that all countries are pretty similar in this regard.

That's exactly what I've been thinking.

Recently Colin Lynes lost in a European title shot to M'baye (non-Televised here). The word coming back was Lynes had been robbed, he said this himself on Steve Bunces radio show. And yet reports from neutrals that watched the fight said he lost a boring fight fair and square.

I think this probably happened numerous times in the past.

[Kirkland Laing]

lol, I have no ulterior motive.

I would love for some definitive proof to back up this claim about robberies in Europe. Or at least some history to find out where this idea originated from.

I can remember Harry Carpenter and/or Reg Gutteridge saying something like "the old saying that you need a knockout to get a draw in Italy." It just fits in nicely with the general Italian stereotype of everything being corrupt (although that's an accurate stereotype ). I'm not sure how many fights from Italy the BBC and ITV covered in the post-war years but I don't think it was too many, maybe that "old saying" comes from boxers and cornermen who fought out there, lost close decisions and maybe thought they'd done better than they had done and they're not exactly unbiased observers. There probably were one or two outright robberies in Italy over the years but I'm sure close decisions in Italy and Germany go roughly the same way they do in Britain and America, and that all countries are pretty similar in this regard.

That's exactly what I've been thinking.

Recently Colin Lynes lost in a European title shot to M'baye (non-Televised here). The word coming back was Lynes had been robbed, he said this himself on Steve Bunces radio show. And yet reports from neutrals that watched the fight said he lost a boring fight fair and square.

I think this probably happened numerous times in the past.

I just found a shit copy of Benn vs. Galvano 1 and the fight is a few seconds old before Reg says "there's no point in Benn trying to box this guy..... as you've probably heard the old saying about knock them out to draw is fairly true, there's only ever been two British fighters who won on points in Italy and they were both flyweights."

[Fenster]

I can remember Harry Carpenter and/or Reg Gutteridge saying something like "the old saying that you need a knockout to get a draw in Italy." It just fits in nicely with the general Italian stereotype of everything being corrupt (although that's an accurate stereotype ). I'm not sure how many fights from Italy the BBC and ITV covered in the post-war years but I don't think it was too many, maybe that "old saying" comes from boxers and cornermen who fought out there, lost close decisions and maybe thought they'd done better than they had done and they're not exactly unbiased observers. There probably were one or two outright robberies in Italy over the years but I'm sure close decisions in Italy and Germany go roughly the same way they do in Britain and America, and that all countries are pretty similar in this regard.

That's exactly what I've been thinking.

Recently Colin Lynes lost in a European title shot to M'baye (non-Televised here). The word coming back was Lynes had been robbed, he said this himself on Steve Bunces radio show. And yet reports from neutrals that watched the fight said he lost a boring fight fair and square.

I think this probably happened numerous times in the past.

I just found a shit copy of Benn vs. Galvano 1 and the fight is a few seconds old before Reg says "there's no point in Benn trying to box this guy..... as you've probably heard the old saying about knock them out to draw is fairly true, there's only ever been two British fighters who won on points in Italy and they were both flyweights."

I mentioned this earlier as a fight where the Brit got the decision because they made out like Benn hadn't a hope in hells of getting it on points.

When the cuts happen, Reg is waffling about the Italians want the fight stopped so it can go to the cards, right?

[Kirkland Laing]

That's exactly what I've been thinking.

Recently Colin Lynes lost in a European title shot to M'baye (non-Televised here). The word coming back was Lynes had been robbed, he said this himself on Steve Bunces radio show. And yet reports from neutrals that watched the fight said he lost a boring fight fair and square.

I think this probably happened numerous times in the past.

I just found a shit copy of Benn vs. Galvano 1 and the fight is a few seconds old before Reg says "there's no point in Benn trying to box this guy..... as you've probably heard the old saying about knock them out to draw is fairly true, there's only ever been two British fighters who won on points in Italy and they were both flyweights."

I mentioned this earlier as a fight where the Brit got the decision because they made out like Benn hadn't a hope in hells of getting it on points.

When the cuts happen, Reg is waffling about the Italians want the fight stopped so it can go to the cards, right?

Yep.

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[Fenster]

I just found a shit copy of Benn vs. Galvano 1 and the fight is a few seconds old before Reg says "there's no point in Benn trying to box this guy..... as you've probably heard the old saying about knock them out to draw is fairly true, there's only ever been two British fighters who won on points in Italy and they were both flyweights."

I mentioned this earlier as a fight where the Brit got the decision because they made out like Benn hadn't a hope in hells of getting it on points.

When the cuts happen, Reg is waffling about the Italians want the fight stopped so it can go to the cards, right?

Yep.

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There it is, quick and dirty 160 mb download.

Nice one. Pretty much as I remember it.

Jim - "The good thing about fighting in Italy is, you don't have to worry about piling up points because you're not gonna get the verdict"

[BigLuke]

Has anyone mentioned Diaz vs Pauli Malignaggi. Highway robbery even though I hate that guy. Houston Texas, USA

Dirrell Froch / UK