Anyone else think Pavlik is ruined?

[Cleon]

To early to tell, if he can't get his shit together then yes
I thought Taylors reign was bad
The Ghost has really disappeared

[Nameless]

I think that Pavlik's situation is not what it seems at the moment because it is a conjecture of many things:

1) a bad injury with a treatment that almost killed him.

2) a few dubious antics outside the ring.

3) a loopsided defeat against Hopkins.


What peoples tend to say now is that after his defeat to Hopkins, Pavlik is spiraling down, started to drink, fighting outside the ring and that he'll never recover from the injury. To me, these are 3 separated things; The injury and treatment he has that almost killed him have nothing to do with his defeat to Hopkins. His antics outside the ring possibly neither, maybe te guy was drinking here and here before the defeat and it's only because we've heard about it now that peoples are making these assumptions.
It is clearly too soon to say anything about that and we'll only have a definitive answer when Pavlik will have fought at least 2 more times against meaningful opponents.

[Cleon]

Pavliks going to have a hard time getting that momentum back
The middles don't have any stars
If he could get Sturm in the ring & pound him he'd gain back a measure of respect
Winky might be the biggest fight out there for him
Unless he steps up & fights the winner of Bute-Andrade