Andre Berto vs Shane Mosley

[ElTerribleMorales]

I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

[JazMerkin]

I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

[ElTerribleMorales]

He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

i don't question his heart, but he did look dead tired by the 8th, he took the last two rounds more on will and heart than by his actual conditioning, not to mention the guy in front of him wasn't a big puncher and was just about as gassed as he was

[JazMerkin]

you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

i don't question his heart, but he did look dead tired by the 8th, he took the last two rounds more on will and heart than by his actual conditioning, not to mention the guy in front of him wasn't a big puncher and was just about as gassed as he was

He did, but to me he showed he could find something extra when he needed it. It was similar to the Cotto-Clottey fight in that sense, although I had Clottey just edging that one. I think Collazo is a tremendously underrated guy & I thought Berto fought the right fight against Urango because if you try blaze him out, well, ask Randall Bailey.

I don't buy into everything Taeth says about him, I agree he can look pedestrian at times, but to me he's a guy who is getting better & we're yet to see a clear style from him. If he can keep his jab solid & not flick it as he's prone to do, I really think he could have the beating of Mosley.

[HattonTheHammer]

He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

[blegit]

you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

Hatton/Collazo and Berto/Collazo was a close decision but Mosley/Collazo was not a close decision. Re-watch that fight.

[CFH]

you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

[HattonTheHammer]

Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

i watched the unanimous decision commentary HBO gave him

Then i watched it in real time without the commentary and realised it was a hell of a lot closer than the final scorecards!

[CFH]

Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

i watched the unanimous decision commentary HBO gave him

Then i watched it in real time without the commentary and realised it was a hell of a lot closer than the final scorecards!

Really? I only watched it once, but from what I recall it wasn't even competitive after the 2nd or 3rd round, which is where Collazo says he broke his hand.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

i watched the unanimous decision commentary HBO gave him

Then i watched it in real time without the commentary and realised it was a hell of a lot closer than the final scorecards!

Really? I only watched it once, but from what I recall it wasn't even competitive after the 2nd or 3rd round, which is where Collazo says he broke his hand.

same here, i've seen it more than once and i felt that after the 4th round it was pretty much all Mosley, Berto/Collazo and Hatton/Collazo were close, i actually had Collazo winning both

[amat]

Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

i watched the unanimous decision commentary HBO gave him

Then i watched it in real time without the commentary and realised it was a hell of a lot closer than the final scorecards!

Really? I only watched it once, but from what I recall it wasn't even competitive after the 2nd or 3rd round, which is where Collazo says he broke his hand.

Exactly right...

[Master]

I am a fan of both fighter and would prefer them to stay a way from each other. I thought and hope Berto was going to give Collazo a rematch. Shane should have a warm up and then fight Mayweather.

[Taeth]

I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

I never said Dirrell threw combinations! I just said he was super quick. Berto does throw combinations, but he doesn't move as well as Andre... his body is too short and stocky. I don't use it as a complete excuse, but Andre had a really bad cold going into the Collazo fight, did you noticed that he weighed 6 pounds more than when he fought Urango and Forbes? Being sick going into a war like that can't be easy, and he still came on strong in the last two rounds. However, that doesn't impress me overly because Berto could have easily outboxed Collazo from the outside like Mosley did, granted Collazo threw way more punches against Berto, he didn't hurt his hands in the fight with Berto, and he looked a lot more focused for the fight with Berto. Against Mosley he looked like a Zombie.