Lyle whats going on with your so called mighty reds??

[El Kabong]

I would just like Rafa to be consistent, he tampers too much with a good thing. When we move 1 or hell even 10 starters out just to rest them for a game there is NO NEED to change formation or strategy as much as Rafa does.

Gerrard is out vs Lyon, fine...Torres may be out vs Lyon, that's cool. Liverpool SHOULD be able to play a B side vs Lyon and still beat the shit out of them (they won't but they should be able to).

ST: Kuyt, Voronin
LM: Babel CM: Mascherano, Lucas RM: Benayoun
LB: Aurelio CB: Carragher, Skrtel RB: Johnson
GK: Riena

Bench: Cavallieri, N'Gog, Aquilani (if fit), Agger, and some other midfielder. If Aquilani is in really good shape you start him at CAM and put Lucas on the bench.

This shouldn't be as difficult as Rafa makes it

[El Kabong]

....sure would have been nice for Liverpool to pick up another striker, perhaps one JOZY ALTIDORE would have fit in well with a speedy guy like Torres...or maybe a big tall dude like PETER CROUCH could have come back and helped out.

Kuyt has actually earned my respect over this past season, if nothing else the dude tries hard and he's solid on defense.

Ryan Babel on the other hand is just total crap how he can be on Liverpool while plenty of quality Americans are out there waiting to get a shot at the EPL is beyond me.

[skel1983]

....sure would have been nice for Liverpool to pick up another striker, perhaps one JOZY ALTIDORE would have fit in well with a speedy guy like Torres...or maybe a big tall dude like PETER CROUCH could have come back and helped out.

Kuyt has actually earned my respect over this past season, if nothing else the dude tries hard and he's solid on defense.

Ryan Babel on the other hand is just total crap how he can be on Liverpool while plenty of quality Americans are out there waiting to get a shot at the EPL is beyond me.

If I was Liverpool id buy Carlton Cole from West Ham in January quality striker who would compliment Torres well.

[skel1983]

I would just like Rafa to be consistent, he tampers too much with a good thing. When we move 1 or hell even 10 starters out just to rest them for a game there is NO NEED to change formation or strategy as much as Rafa does.

Gerrard is out vs Lyon, fine...Torres may be out vs Lyon, that's cool. Liverpool SHOULD be able to play a B side vs Lyon and still beat the shit out of them (they won't but they should be able to).

ST: Kuyt, Voronin
LM: Babel CM: Mascherano, Lucas RM: Benayoun
LB: Aurelio CB: Carragher, Skrtel RB: Johnson
GK: Riena




Bench: Cavallieri, N'Gog, Aquilani (if fit), Agger, and some other midfielder. If Aquilani is in really good shape you start him at CAM and put Lucas on the bench.

This shouldn't be as difficult as Rafa makes it

You think you can field a B team and beat lyon ahahahaha!!! Not a fucking chance if that was your team you would loose but Torres will start.

Mate Johnson is out Torres will start, If Voronin and Kuyt were my two strikers i would be crying rite about now.

Voronin should be put down and be put out of his misery.

[El Kabong]

You think you can field a B team and beat lyon ahahahaha!!! Not a fucking chance if that was your team you would loose but Torres will start.

Mate Johnson is out Torres will start, If Voronin and Kuyt were my two strikers i would be crying rite about now.

Voronin should be put down and be put out of his misery.

If Johnson is out then play Insua.

I've always thought Voronin was a decent player, I stand by that. He creates chances, he passes well, and he controls the ball well...the only thing he could improve on is hustling a bit more, but what he ends up doing is getting in position to put away rebounds or create scoring chances for his team mates. Voronin could start every second of every game, he probably wouldn't score 10 goals in a season, but he would create a fair ammount. When he does play he needs a striker that can score and a midfielder that can score. He's a good player, he's just not used very well.

I mean I'd rather have a better backup striker, but Voronin is ok...he doesn't deserve the shit he catches from the fans.

What level do you think Voronin is on, I want to know just how bad you think he is. Compare him to an American player...Eddie Johnson maybe?

[OumaFan]

I think he probably is not as bad as some say but he just doesn't finish well which unfortunately is kind of a big deal, he missed a one on one already today.

He's better than Eddie

[OumaFan]

As for American comparisons I guarantee Donovan and Dempsey would do a better job than Voronin if played the same. Doesn't mean there necessarily big four players, neither is Voronin.

[OumaFan]

Babel should just move on. I'm not sure he'd be in great demand but even if it meant back to the Netherlands why not, if you can't get a start in this lineup?

[El Kabong]

As for American comparisons I guarantee Donovan and Dempsey would do a better job than Voronin if played the same. Doesn't mean there necessarily big four players, neither is Voronin.

I agree, but not being a big four player doesn't mean you're crap....that's all I'm saying. I think Voronin's issues are #1 Coaching and #2 Liverpool buying him, he's good at what he does but what he does, Liverpool doesn't use it.

Liverpool had Robbie Keane, nobody doubts his skill, but you saw how they used him...I think Rafa likes to play favorites with his players rather than play to win titles.

[OumaFan]

I never really understood the Keane buy. Didn't seem to really fit with what Benitez wants to do.

I mean you have Torres as the only true out and out striker with Gerrard behind him in the hole, Kuyt and Babel/Riera on the outside and Mascherano and Alonzo/Lucas behind them and Keane can play that role that Kuyt does but he's probably best as a striker in a 4-4-2, why not just buy an out and out winger instead?

For whatever reason I didn't really see Liverpool much when Keane was there (seemed like when I did see them he was on the bench) but I assume he was playing a similar role to what Kuyt does.