Lyle whats going on with your so called mighty reds??

[El Kabong]

As for American comparisons I guarantee Donovan and Dempsey would do a better job than Voronin if played the same. Doesn't mean there necessarily big four players, neither is Voronin.

I agree, but not being a big four player doesn't mean you're crap....that's all I'm saying. I think Voronin's issues are #1 Coaching and #2 Liverpool buying him, he's good at what he does but what he does, Liverpool doesn't use it.

Liverpool had Robbie Keane, nobody doubts his skill, but you saw how they used him...I think Rafa likes to play favorites with his players rather than play to win titles.