Just watched Muhammad Ali vs Oscar Bonavena,Ali was close to losing!

[El Kabong]

I don't disservice Ali, he was great, but he didn't accomplish what Louis and Rocky did

[Snakey]

I don't disservice Ali, he was great, but he didn't accomplish what Louis and Rocky did

I agree that you should punish a fighter for something he couldnt control eg his era. Louis and Marciano did awesome in a weak era, whats to say they wouldnt of been around the top in the 70s?

[Master]

I don't disservice Ali, he was great, but he didn't accomplish what Louis and Rocky did

I agree that you should punish a fighter for something he couldnt control eg his era. Louis and Marciano did awesome in a weak era, whats to say they wouldnt of been around the top in the 70s?

With all due respect Louis and Marciano would not have accomplished what Ali did in the ring in the 60's and 70's.

[El Kabong]

With all due respect Louis and Marciano would not have accomplished what Ali did in the ring in the 60's and 70's.

Yes but see I disagree with that and you take offense like I just slapped your mama and you post this and expect us to say "Oh well that makes perfect sense, very well then"

I see it the way I see it, I have perfectly valid reasons for it and that's that

[Master]

With all due respect Louis and Marciano would not have accomplished what Ali did in the ring in the 60's and 70's.

Yes but see I disagree with that and you take offense like I just slapped your mama and you post this and expect us to say "Oh well that makes perfect sense, very well then"

I see it the way I see it, I have perfectly valid reasons for it and that's that

You are the one taking offence and not providing any perfectly valid reason for it.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

You can't even compare marciano with heavyweights nowadays because he is way too small to be considered anywhere near heavyweight. You would have to give him the average heavyweight of today's body statistics to make any comparison acceptable. If marciano was at least 6 foot with a 76" wingspan and a career fighting weight of around 225 pounds, then you could make a comparison. But using rocky's physical stats from yesteryear is meaningless. He is listed as 5'10", with a wingspan of 67 inches and fought most of his fights at or around 185 pounds.