Don King was the real winner of Haye v Valuev

[BIG H]

[quote=Fatsandman;807364]

If Valuev was the challenger and the fight was in London, would that still be the case?

Good point. But it wasn't in London and Haye wasn't the defending champion.

I'm talking about the fight tonight and the politics behind it Big H..

So am I mate, my point was, that whomever won most rounds DESERVED to win and anything else about Champions/Challengers/Venues/Crooked promoters should be irrelevant if the guy that won most rounds got the verdict. If you think Valuev won more rounds then fair enough.

[Fatsandman]

[QUOTE=BIG H;807367][quote=Fatsandman;807364]

So am I mate, my point was, that whomever won most rounds DESERVED to win and anything else about Champions/Challengers/Venues/Crooked promoters should be irrelevant if the guy that won most rounds got the verdict. If you think Valuev won more rounds then fair enough.

Well then I suppose it all depends on who we both thought won that fight. I thought Valuev won it by 3 rounds simply by Hayes reluctance to engage (and back up his big pre-fight talk) for much of the fight.

If thats the criteria then maybe my thoughts of dirty dealings may be off the mark.. But I stick by my impressions...

Cheers BH

[BIG H]

[quote=Fatsandman;807376][quote=BIG H;807367]

Well then I suppose it all depends on who we both thought won that fight. I thought Valuev won it by 3 rounds simply by Hayes reluctance to engage (and back up his big pre-fight talk) for much of the fight.

If thats the criteria then maybe my thoughts of dirty dealings may be off the mark.. But I stick by my impressions...

Cheers BH

If you think Valuev won by 3 rounds then you have a right to think that the fix was in. I just can't see that scoring, coz much as I don't rate Haye, Valuev was horrendous and just plodded forward like a mummy and swatted thin air all night. Was still very close though and I would have had no problem with 114-114 or 115-113 either way.

[Fatsandman]

[QUOTE=BIG H;807381][quote=Fatsandman;807376]

If you think Valuev won by 3 rounds then you have a right to think that the fix was in. .

Not sure about 'fix'. Maybe just 'influence'

[Fatsandman]

It may not have been a robbery like Lewis v Holyfield but does anyone doubt that King's 'influence' came into play that night?

Same face, same result. King wins again..

And don't get me started on the Kennedy assassination (only kiddin!)

[porkypara]

It may not have been a robbery like Lewis v Holyfield but does anyone doubt that King's 'influence' came into play that night?

Same face, same result. King wins again..

And don't get me started on the Kennedy assassination (only kiddin!)

If that was the case why did King not FIX Valuev's fight with Holyfield who is still the biggest name in the division even if he is 10 years past his best.?

[Fenster]

Haye won in a shit fashion but he won because Valuev landed eff all (on old china chin) for 12 rounds.

Shit, shit, boringly shit fight. But had Haye been KO'd everyone would have been calling him an overrated pathetic shit cunt.

Haye used his brain, got the win and pissed everyone off because they didn't see what they were expecting.

[BIG H]

Haye won in a shit fashion but he won because Valuev landed eff all (on old china chin) for 12 rounds.

Shit, shit, boringly shit fight. But had Haye been KO'd everyone would have been calling him an overrated pathetic shit cunt.

Haye used his brain, got the win and pissed everyone off because they didn't see what they were expecting.

He still is that to be fair mate

[Fatsandman]

Shit, shit, boringly shit fight.

It was a Valuev fight after all Fenster. But it was Haye that most were banking on to rise it a level or two above shit and he didn't (or couldn't)..

If the fight is shit its usually because Valuev had the ability to keep it that way. Haye seemed content to fight shit with shit..

My impression was that Valuev seemed to win by three shits.

[Dizaster]

Shit, shit, boringly shit fight.

It was a Valuev fight after all Fenster. But it was Haye that most were banking on to rise it a level or two above shit and he didn't (or couldn't)..

If the fight is shit its usually because Valuev had the ability to keep it that way. Haye seemed content to fight shit with shit..

My impression was that Valuev seemed to win by three shits.

And that is why heavyweight is so unappealing these days... How many fights can you describe as two fighters (insert bolded text here)....

Get these giant freaks of nature who are only champs because of their enormous size out of boxing, and bring back the heavyweight ATHLETES who's number one craft is boxing and bringing the pain..... Not use your giant size to keep someone away and win on points..... It is boring as sh!t for boxing, and how many belts are exchanged in this way, while fans are falling asleep in the stands....
I mean, it's fine, we have so many other divisions of boxing which keep boxing as the number one sport on the planet, but if the recipe for a certain division is the more boring you can make the fight, the better chance you have of winning, then of course the excitement is going to be at a minimum.

[rjj tszyu]

Shit, shit, boringly shit fight.

It was a Valuev fight after all Fenster. But it was Haye that most were banking on to rise it a level or two above shit and he didn't (or couldn't)..

If the fight is shit its usually because Valuev had the ability to keep it that way. Haye seemed content to fight shit with shit..

My impression was that Valuev seemed to win by three shits.

And that is why heavyweight is so unappealing these days... How many fights can you describe as two fighters (insert bolded text here)....

Get these giant freaks of nature who are only champs because of their enormous size out of boxing, and bring back the heavyweight ATHLETES who's number one craft is boxing and bringing the pain..... Not use your giant size to keep someone away and win on points..... It is boring as sh!t for boxing, and how many belts are exchanged in this way, while fans are falling asleep in the stands....
I mean, it's fine, we have so many other divisions of boxing which keep boxing as the number one sport on the planet, but if the recipe for a certain division is the more boring you can make the fight, the better chance you have of winning, then of course the excitement is going to be at a minimum.

The problem is the top american athletes go to other sports for big money now, where they are not risking life and death. The likes of Tyson and Holyfield were similar size's to Haye and I would put a fortune on them in their primes walking through all todays HW's. They were class operators!

[hackey]

The problem is the top american athletes go to other sports for big money now, where they are not risking life and death. The likes of Tyson and Holyfield were similar size's to Haye and I would put a fortune on them in their primes walking through all todays HW's. They were class operators!

Tyson wasn't even 6 ft I believe, but I agree with your point about American fighters going to other easier sports. Unfortunately it's the nature of the game, fights are too infrequent and there can only really be one true champion. The reason the heavies are packed with europeans is because we have no sport that is as extreme as American Football when it comes to physique. I truely believe there is more than one Roy Jones playing in the NFL right now.

[Master]

Haye cannot be compared to Tyson and Holyfield, he has worked his way to a title without really earning it. It is a very poor division. Look at how many fights Holyfield had to go through to get a shot at Buster. Haye would not have survived those battles.

[rjj tszyu]

The problem is the top american athletes go to other sports for big money now, where they are not risking life and death. The likes of Tyson and Holyfield were similar size's to Haye and I would put a fortune on them in their primes walking through all todays HW's. They were class operators!

Tyson wasn't even 6 ft I believe, but I agree with your point about American fighters going to other easier sports. Unfortunately it's the nature of the game, fights are too infrequent and there can only really be one true champion. The reason the heavies are packed with europeans is because we have no sport that is as extreme as American Football when it comes to physique. I truely believe there is more than one Roy Jones playing in the NFL right now.

Really?? I can't comment because it is not a sport I know a single thing about. I've herad the same thing said about Basketball but again can't comment.