Dawson would beat Kessler

[sumkalambay]

any talk of kessler's lefthook is a moot point because he has a crappy slapping lefthook.

anyway, dawson in his adamek form would win a wide decision. he's just slightly more versatile.

[oakleyno1]

no way would dawson beat kessler imo - kessler is to good and would of been one of the first people to beat johnson easily and widely, possible taking him out

[levi#1BoxingFan]

No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.

[blegit]

No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

[Spicoli]

Really by choosing Ornelas he chose a still much larger draw in Jones Jr.They see the writing on the wall and wanna make that huge finale though the final negotions may be more exciting than the fight itself.I'd personally love Dawson and Hopkins over that one but in fairness Dawsons drawing power has still to reach big time status.He has time.

[Pugilistic]

No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

Hopkins is fighting Ornelas as a tune up for a Jones fight.

Jones is twice the draw Dawson is.

Lets not forget that Hopkins is donating the money he earns for the Ornelas fight to charity.

Bhop was actually considering the winner of Dawson/Johnson but Jones started calling Hopkins out so he took that fight.

[blegit]

No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

Hopkins is fighting Ornelas as a tune up for a Jones fight.

Jones is twice the draw Dawson is.

Lets not forget that Hopkins is donating the money he earns for the Ornelas fight to charity.

Bhop was actually considering the winner of Dawson/Johnson but Jones started calling Hopkins out so he took that fight.

Yes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.

[Pugilistic]

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

Hopkins is fighting Ornelas as a tune up for a Jones fight.

Jones is twice the draw Dawson is.

Lets not forget that Hopkins is donating the money he earns for the Ornelas fight to charity.

Bhop was actually considering the winner of Dawson/Johnson but Jones started calling Hopkins out so he took that fight.

Yes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.

good point.

Kessler is actually very overated nowadays imo.

There is no denying Kessler is good but his resume is weak.

His best win is Andrade who is a decent fighter but nothing special.

Kessler's only real test was against Calzaghe and he lost. He did make it a competitive fight for 4 rounds though.

I'm a Hopkins fan but there is no doubt in my mind that Dawson would cause Hopkins trouble with his size and speed.

Hopkins would be able frustrate Dawson with his Defense, movement, counters and rough inside tactics.

Overall i think it's a bad fight for Dawson because whether you win or lose, Hopkins makes you look bad and if Dawson was to win, he wouldn't get much credit because Bernard would likely be 45 by the time they fought.

On the Kessler - Dawson fight i think Dawson would win quite clearly.

I think his speed and athleticism is too much for Kessler to handle.

Dawson is very good at putting fast combos together and i think this would trouble Kessler. Dawson would have to watch for Kessler's right hand though.

What worries me for Kessler is, Calzaghe was able to hurt him to the body and from what i have seen from Dawson he can crack to the body especially when he is putting his combos together.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

Hopkins is fighting Ornelas as a tune up for a Jones fight.

Jones is twice the draw Dawson is.

Lets not forget that Hopkins is donating the money he earns for the Ornelas fight to charity.

Bhop was actually considering the winner of Dawson/Johnson but Jones started calling Hopkins out so he took that fight.

Yes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.

I respect dawson's ability just not his heart. I fighter with a big heart knows when to put people away, and a fighter with a big heart does not become lazy just because he's ahead on points. Your probly saying "what does it matter about heart when he's easily beating people?" It's gonna matter when someone like a Hopkins (a dirty fighter) puts him in a dog fight. I just think when this type a fight finally comes along he's gonna be very green and not used to a brawl.

[ICB]

No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

Exactly who has Mikkel Kessler beaten who's really that good ? i mean his best win is probably Anthony Mundine, and that was a tough close fight. Which was a good win but who else really ? Librado Andrade ? i agree Mikkel Kessler is a good fighter, but i feel he is a bit overrated.

We don't really know how good he is he's still a bit unproven IMO, he was beaten handily by Joe Calzaghe. And he hasn't fought any notable fighter since Joe Calzaghe, im not saying he's fought all tomato can's, but we don't really know how good he is yet.

Atleast Chad Dawson has beaten a legit top world class fighter, like Tomasz Adamek. And despite his other 3 best wins, being against older fighters. There still 3 good wins and Antonio Tarver was coming off a real good performance, and Glen Johnson had no signs of slowing down. And Eric Harding was still considered a good fighter.

And remember the last time Glen Johnson was beaten so handily, was probably against Bernard Hopkins in 1997. Everyone wanted to see Chad Dawson beat Glen Johnson more convincingly in the rematch, and he did so top marks to him.

And i know the rematch with Antonio Tarver was a waste a time, but its still two good wins over a good fighter, and remember Antonio Tarver isn't that old in terms of proffessional fighting, because he was a late starter.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

Exactly who has Mikkel Kessler beaten who's really that good ? i mean his best win is probably Anthony Mundine, and that was a tough close fight. Which was a good win but who else really ? Librado Andrade ? i agree Mikkel Kessler is a good fighter, but i feel he is a bit overrated.

We don't really know how good he is he's still a bit unproven IMO, he was beaten handily by Joe Calzaghe. And he hasn't fought any notable fighter since Joe Calzaghe, im not saying he's fought all tomato can's, but we don't really know how good he is yet.

Atleast Chad Dawson has beaten a legit top world class fighter, like Tomasz Adamek. And despite his other 3 best wins, being against older fighters. There still 3 good wins and Antonio Tarver was coming off a real good performance, and Glen Johnson had no signs of slowing down. And Eric Harding was still considered a good fighter.

And remember the last time Glen Johnson was beaten so handily, was probably against Bernard Hopkins in 1997. Everyone wanted to see Chad Dawson beat Glen Johnson more convincingly in the rematch, and he did so top marks to him.

And i know the rematch with Antonio Tarver was a waste a time, but its still two good wins over a good fighter, and remember Antonio Tarver isn't that old in terms of proffessional fighting, because he was a late starter.

Tarver's complete garbage dude, Tarvers carreer looks like this, win lose win lose win lose win lose win lose....you get the point. I would probly put Taylor over Tarver right now, if that lets you know what I think about him.

[blegit]

Yeah, Dawson is the real deal. I get the feeling people are waiting for the next RJJ and therefore are never going to be satisfied with Dawson's ability and wins. Thats too high of a bar. Kessler is technical and has good timing so I don't want to make it out to be a one sided fight. But I see Dawson winning this fight rather comfortably. Dawson is not just fast and technical but he is athletic and a sothpaw is not the greatest choice opponent to have with those attributes.

[Taeth]

any talk of kessler's lefthook is a moot point because he has a crappy slapping lefthook.

anyway, dawson in his adamek form would win a wide decision. he's just slightly more versatile.

Kessler doesn't have a left hook? huh? Did you watch the Andrade fight?

[Gandalf]

Kessler would outwork Dawson quite easily. Dawson takes so much time off in his fights throwing only intermittently. Kessler might even knock him out. Kessler is a much more assured and and all round fighter for me. Dawson either attacks or defends, he seems to have no fluidity between those two things. Kessler would take advantage of Dawsons flaws.

Dawson reminds me of Taylor from a few years back, all it will take is the right opponent to bust him up and Kessler would be one to do it.

[sumkalambay]

Kessler would outwork Dawson quite easily. Dawson takes so much time off in his fights throwing only intermittently. Kessler might even knock him out. Kessler is a much more assured and and all round fighter for me. Dawson either attacks or defends, he seems to have no fluidity between those two things. Kessler would take advantage of Dawsons flaws.

Dawson reminds me of Taylor from a few years back, all it will take is the right opponent to bust him up and Kessler would be one to do it.

dawson doesn't need to be a PBF to beat someone like kessler. that's what some of you don't get. kessler ain't a fucking great technician like some of you make him out to be. he's a typical stand-up euro fighter with a very basic skillset. he has zero inside game for crying out loud.

kessler is so fucking overrated it's not even funny. i've heard people comparing him to juan manuel marquez ffs. jmm's more dynamic than kessler will ever be despite being a very flawed fighter himself.