Pavlik vs Espino Set For December 19, Top Rank PPV

[CFH]

What the fuck? So the Williams fight had to be delayed and then scrapped only for Pavlik to fight a nobody three weeks or so after the proposed Pavlik-Williams fight? I've said it before and I'll say it again motherfuck Kelly Pavlik and motherfuck Jack Loew. I hope Espino knocks him cold.

[Rantcatrat]

Giving Pavlik the benefit of the doubt, if he is just now healing and the Williams fight was to be on December 5th, he may have felt he needed more than four weeks preparation. Williams was offered 12/19, but decided against it, and rightfully so, they had been dragged along for months. Still, Espino?!? There had to be better opponents than Espino. Had to be. I mean as a replacement for Pavlik Williams went with Martinez, yet Pavlik replaces Williams with Espino?

[JT Rock]

Pavlik is for the taking and his camp knows it, thats why this fight is announced 2 days after Williams vs Martinez...

Screw Kelly pavlik, he is piss poor

[markb018]

Yea I think this looks bad...he has a large hill to climb to gain back that reputation. I mean I know his hand was messed up at some point, but all these back stories, punching his hand through glass, kicking a fan in the sac, rehab, dicking Williams around. I am ok with Pavlik fighting nothing but bums at this point

[No Contest]

Pavlik ducked, now its clear as day, he is fighting the same day as Williams...wow just wow. Wasn't Jack Loew talking mad shit to JT saying he was ducking Pavlik? Thats why I am sick of trainers calling boxers duckers. They turn around and do the same shit almost always...

[Gandalf]

Wow, just a big fat wow!

He turned over Williams for this? Something is definitely wrong in the Pavlik camp. He's not keen on a big fight at all.

[HattonTheHammer]

well done in weasling your way out of another beating at the hands of PW

I seriously hope kelly and loew would just f*ck off to MMA for good



B-Hop4life

[bzkfn]

Giving Pavlik the benefit of the doubt, if he is just now healing and the Williams fight was to be on December 5th, he may have felt he needed more than four weeks preparation. Williams was offered 12/19, but decided against it, and rightfully so, they had been dragged along for months. Still, Espino?!? There had to be better opponents than Espino. Had to be. I mean as a replacement for Pavlik Williams went with Martinez, yet Pavlik replaces Williams with Espino?

I remember you pointing out that I criticise Pavlik and his team alot. I said his team was ducking Abraham and it would appear the same is happening with Williams. Whats annoying is that he has the power to compete in top fights, but it appears Arum and the rest of team Pavlik have little to no confidence in his ability to cope with world class opponents anymore. This opponent is a joke.

[Myk_Myk]

It really does appear more and more as if Hopkins huffed and puffed and blew his stick house down...

[Rantcatrat]

Giving Pavlik the benefit of the doubt, if he is just now healing and the Williams fight was to be on December 5th, he may have felt he needed more than four weeks preparation. Williams was offered 12/19, but decided against it, and rightfully so, they had been dragged along for months. Still, Espino?!? There had to be better opponents than Espino. Had to be. I mean as a replacement for Pavlik Williams went with Martinez, yet Pavlik replaces Williams with Espino?

I remember you pointing out that I criticise Pavlik and his team alot. I said his team was ducking Abraham and it would appear the same is happening with Williams. Whats annoying is that he has the power to compete in top fights, but it appears Arum and the rest of team Pavlik have little to no confidence in his ability to cope with world class opponents anymore. This opponent is a joke.

I may have singled you out, but I wasn't trying to be a prick because it's not just you. I think of the big name american fighters, Pavlik is hated on this board the most other than maybe Allen Green. CFH hates him the most of any active fighter and Hattonthehammer's opinion of him is not much better. Admittedly, I like Pavlik. He seems like a regular guy and he gives back to the community he comes from. I appreciate that.

And to say Pavlik is a bitch who generally ducks fighters is horsesh*t. He fought Miranda, Taylor twice, and went up ten pounds to fight Hopkins. That doesn't sound like a guy who is scared. The Hopkins loss may have brought him down to reality a little bit. But, he then beat Rubio, who although limited, was a top ten middleweight at the time.

I totally agree that Espino is a joke. Why else is Pavlik only being paid $500k for a middleweight title fight and doing it in Youngstown?

Listen, if he fights Espino and then doesn't fight a top guy, I'll be the first to admit he is ducking tough fights. I'm goign to give him the benefit of the doubt for a weak 2009, but if he continues this way, he drops big time in my book.

Again giving him the benefit of the doubt, what probably happened is that Pavlik hasn't been as professional about his training recently and his team decided he needed an easy opponent to get him back into the swing of things before fighting an elite level boxer. Maybe they aren't confident that his hand is back to normal and want someone that doesn't require a full training camp. That said, another viable option is that he actually is ducking Williams. We'll see if he fights him after Espino.

[bzkfn]

Giving Pavlik the benefit of the doubt, if he is just now healing and the Williams fight was to be on December 5th, he may have felt he needed more than four weeks preparation. Williams was offered 12/19, but decided against it, and rightfully so, they had been dragged along for months. Still, Espino?!? There had to be better opponents than Espino. Had to be. I mean as a replacement for Pavlik Williams went with Martinez, yet Pavlik replaces Williams with Espino?

I remember you pointing out that I criticise Pavlik and his team alot. I said his team was ducking Abraham and it would appear the same is happening with Williams. Whats annoying is that he has the power to compete in top fights, but it appears Arum and the rest of team Pavlik have little to no confidence in his ability to cope with world class opponents anymore. This opponent is a joke.

I may have singled you out, but I wasn't trying to be a prick because it's not just you. I think of the big name american fighters, Pavlik is hated on this board the most other than maybe Allen Green.

I totally agree that Espino is a joke. Why else is Pavlik only being paid $500k for a middleweight title fight and doing it in Youngstown?

Listen, if he fights Espino and then doesn't fight a top guy, I'll be the first to admit he is ducking tough fights.

To be fair, what probably happened is that Pavlik hasn't been as professional about his training recently and his team decided he needed an easy opponent to get him back into the swing of things before fighting an elite level boxer. Maybe they aren't confident that his hand is back to normal and want someone that doesn't require a full training camp. That said, another viable option is that he actually is ducking Williams. We'll see if he fights him after Espino.

No I know you weren't, I was just making the point that you can see why. See after Espino, he'll have 2 mandatories to hide behind. He bitched and moaned to the media that he had no idea why Top Rank cancelled the Mora fight because he felt healthy, so he signs to fight Williams and he still has a staph infection. So the re-arrange the fight and he still has a staph infection. Dude can't even close his fist. 2 days after Williams signs for another fight, Pavlik is fighting Espino. Unbelievable.

[Youngblood]

The only plausible explanation for this decision is that Kelly isn't 100%. He needs to be 100% and firing on all cylinders to beat Williams. And even then, it is a who knows, let's see what happens deal.

If there is any other reason then this for the decision for the Espinosa match up right after cancelling, then it's a pretty weak and moot point.