I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.

[Majesty]

The one thing I thought Haye had a chance of doing against Wlad that would work is countering over the jab, but he couldn't do it against Valuev. I thought because of his amazing athleticism and speed he would be able to get in and out at will against Valuev, but even Chagaev, who though a good athlete is much slower and less coordinated than Haye, had way more success getting in and out on Valuev. I think Haye should have followed Mayweather's blue print for beating Corrales, and that was to jab to the body (In Haye's case he loves to throw hooks to the body as well) until he brought Valuev's arms down, then hit him with looping hooks over the top, but Haye hardly threw anything which didn't force Valuev alter his guard at all. I was just surprised because Valuev often timed Haye coming in, and got off glancing counter punches at times. If it was a quicker more light footed fight like Wladimir I think Haye would be getting hit cleanly a lot.

Haye broke his right hand in the 2nd round

[Taeth]

So that stops him from jabbing to the body? Or throwing left hooks upstairs? Even in the first two rounds he had plenty of oppertunities to throw his right over the jab because Valuev hardly moves in behind his jab to make it difficult to counter, its 10x harder to counter Wlad over the jab because of how he fights.

[Memphis]

I dont see it any differently than I did before. Wlad would be a very strong favourite but Haye has the punchers chance.

The one plus to come out of the Valuev fight is that Haye endorsed his punching credentials by giving Valuev jelly legs late in the fight. For every second that Haye is in there against Wlad he has a chance.

[BIG H]

I dont see it any differently than I did before. Wlad would be a very strong favourite but Haye has the punchers chance.

The one plus to come out of the Valuev fight is that Haye endorsed his punching credentials by giving Valuev jelly legs late in the fight. For every second that Haye is in there against Wlad he has a chance.

Exactly my feelings

[Conrad]

Haye broke his right hand in the 2nd round

Exactly. ANd despite what Lyle wants to believe that actually turned out to be true. So with that knowledge I feel it's hard to really judge Haye from the Valuev fight.

His favourite weapon to counter with is that right hand, which he couldn't use from the 2nd onwards.

[Mark TKO]

As I have said many times before I would pick Haye against any of the heavyweights out there - but not Wlad or Vitali.

vs Wlad like Memphis says he would have a chance at any time - if he can get past the fluctuating jab jab right, jab jab right, jab jab right strategy he is likely to face.

Against Vitali however forget it.....too big and unlike Valuev skilled. Haye gets destroyed in this one - though puts up a better fight than Herbie Hide did.

[Memphis]

Yeah Vitali is another kettle of fish, unless he gets old/injured. That window of opportunity he has against Wlad wont be there against Vitali, I cant see any way for him to win that one.

[El Kabong]

What Wlad does well will negate everything Haye did vs Valuev...great jab, great athletic ability, big power, and good defense.

Broken hand or not Haye cannot fight that way and beat Wladimir, it's not going to happen. As far as punch output, Haye has never impressed in that area

[AdamGB]

When the opponent isn't 7 foot 2 and his hand isn't broken do you think he will fight like that?

[Memphis]

When the opponent isn't 7 foot 2 and his hand isn't broken do you think he will fight like that?

You might as well forget it mate. cant see the woods for all the trees

[Nameless]

What Wlad does well will negate everything Haye did vs Valuev...great jab, great athletic ability, big power, and good defense.

Broken hand or not Haye cannot fight that way and beat Wladimir, it's not going to happen. As far as punch output, Haye has never impressed in that area

Most definitely... and I think that the only chance Haye would have Wlad would be a K.O... and with the reach difference between these two and the killer Jab Wladimir has, Haye would look like mashed patatoes before the 6th round. On the other hand, Vitali is perhaps even worse to fight as Haye doesn't even have the necessary power to shake his hairs off.

[Memphis]

What Wlad does well will negate everything Haye did vs Valuev...great jab, great athletic ability, big power, and good defense.

Broken hand or not Haye cannot fight that way and beat Wladimir, it's not going to happen. As far as punch output, Haye has never impressed in that area

Lyle, how about that Lamon Brewster? What is he, 6'2 220-230?

Wlad gon get knocked out

And before you say but Wlad destroyed him in the rematch, Im happy with that, I'd take Haye splatting him then getting splatted in return just to hear you explain the first fight away

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I wonder if Haye is gonna adopt this level of 'discipline' for every fight now on?

I really hope not.

[Wayne]

What Wlad does well will negate everything Haye did vs Valuev...great jab, great athletic ability, big power, and good defense.

Broken hand or not Haye cannot fight that way and beat Wladimir, it's not going to happen. As far as punch output, Haye has never impressed in that area

Lyle, how about that Lamon Brewster? What is he, 6'2 220-230?

Wlad gon get knocked out

And before you say but Wlad destroyed him in the rematch, Im happy with that, I'd take Haye splatting him then getting splatted in return just to hear you explain the first fight away

The Wlad who fought Lamon Brewster the first time has been completely revamped by Emmanuel Steward. Haye won't step in the ring against a guy he can just throw bombs at. And remember, Brewster had to drag himself off the canvas twice before Klitschko gassed out. If Haye takes those kinds of punches flush I don't think he survives. Brewster had a monster of a chin in that fight. Hell, if that Brewster fought Haye he'd kill David.

[El Kabong]

Lyle, how about that Lamon Brewster? What is he, 6'2 220-230?

Wlad gon get knocked out

And before you say but Wlad destroyed him in the rematch, Im happy with that, I'd take Haye splatting him then getting splatted in return just to hear you explain the first fight away

OK, do you see David Haye taking the punishment Lamon Brewster took to win that fight? Do you see David Haye applying pressure effectively like Lamon Brewster did?

I don't, which is why I am not worried Haye will do anything like Lamon Brewster did, same goes for Ross Purrity.

(before you even ask) As for comparing Haye to Sanders, Wladimir will not and has not fought in that manner since that fight. Wlad got impatient with Sanders, he wanted to put on a show to land a fight with Lennox Lewis...it's not the first time or the last time something like that has happened. Believe you me there is NO WAY Wlad is looking past David Haye, and I feel Wlad has every intention of doing what he said, drag Haye kicking and screaming 11 rounds and then knock him out in the 12th....but I doubt Haye lasts 7