Manny Pac accused of steroids

[Gandalf]

Cintron is perfectly entitled to have his suspicions about Manny. It doesn't mean he is right nor that Manny is a user though. We can all have our opinions no matter how informed, misinformed or loony they might be. There is no need for legal action over such a thing, that's just getting petty.

[Youngblood]

Cintron is perfectly entitled to have his suspicions about Manny. It doesn't mean he is right nor that Manny is a user though. We can all have our opinions no matter how informed, misinformed or loony they might be. There is no need for legal action over such a thing, that's just getting petty.

You do understand what libel is, right?

Like if I decided to go around telling the world someone I didn't like, was say a pedophile, and it cost them their job, their career and basically ruined them, you still feel they have that right to say whatever they want?

It's a dangerous thing, slander. Better be grounded in some sorta facts, or be prepared to pay the consequences.

[Gandalf]

Cintron is perfectly entitled to have his suspicions about Manny. It doesn't mean he is right nor that Manny is a user though. We can all have our opinions no matter how informed, misinformed or loony they might be. There is no need for legal action over such a thing, that's just getting petty.

You do understand what libel is, right?

Like if I decided to go around telling the world someone I didn't like, was say a pedophile, and it cost them their job, their career and basically ruined them, you still feel they have that right to say whatever they want?

It's a dangerous thing, slander. Better be grounded in some sorta facts, or be prepared to pay the consequences.

I know what libel is, but my thinking is that if we hedge our comments correctly then there is no need to worry about such a thing. Admittedly, I haven't listened to Cintron so am not aware if he has hedged his comments appropriately or not.

What he said was possibly grounds for a libel case, but I don't see the big deal TBH. It's like Holocaust denial being criminal in some states. Personally, I believe the Holocaust was real, but what do I care if some crackpots want to try and deny it? It's not as though their views are likely to ever hold the common ground.

It's a lot of getting worked up about nothing. James Toney calls the Klit brothers "the Klit sisters". What are they going to do? Sue him for libel next? Though after those pictures I saw, I really don't think they have a case to defend themselves with.

I agree that people should not be accusing people of paedophilia without due cause nor reason, but when it comes to boxing there truly is such a lot of hot air. It's whole different ballpark.

[Youngblood]

Slippery slopes my man, is what I'm saying.

It is a fine line between talking some trash and out and out defamation of character. The closer to the spot light you are, the finer the line becomes.

[Gandalf]

Slippery slopes my man, is what I'm saying.

It is a fine line between talking some trash and out and out defamation of character. The closer to the spot light you are, the finer the line becomes.

Yep, I know what you are saying and you are right to question my flippancy. I enjoy being anonymous in the world and being able to slander all those boxers that annoy me! I have never gone as far as to accuse someone of being on drugs though, which is a bit out there when you think about it. I will have to give this a listen to see what the context is and why he has said this. It seems a bit random TBH.

[Nameless]

Slippery slopes my man, is what I'm saying.

It is a fine line between talking some trash and out and out defamation of character. The closer to the spot light you are, the finer the line becomes.

ONly a few steps separate them both actually.

[JazMerkin]

I haven't been able to listen to this one, so would appreciate a link to hear it. However, it has to be said that those around Pacquiao would be very open to libel cases of their own should they attempt to follow one of this. The Mayweather Sr had a case for libel, however, the use of truth within his own statement meant that most likely he would have been acquitted, certainly in the United States.

Like I say I have yet to hear Cintron's, but I can't see why he would say it if he didn't believe it. I do find Ariza's response about 'you can't trust people who haven't graduated from high school' funny, although I do find it slightly suspicious that Pacquiao has been able to jump so much weight since taking Ariza on & stay as ripped as he was before. I suppose it's possible, I don't know enough about how to do it to have an informed opinion.

[HattonTheHammer]

I haven't been able to listen to this one, so would appreciate a link to hear it. However, it has to be said that those around Pacquiao would be very open to libel cases of their own should they attempt to follow one of this. The Mayweather Sr had a case for libel, however, the use of truth within his own statement meant that most likely he would have been acquitted, certainly in the United States.

Like I say I have yet to hear Cintron's, but I can't see why he would say it if he didn't believe it. I do find Ariza's response about 'you can't trust people who haven't graduated from high school' funny, although I do find it slightly suspicious that Pacquiao has been able to jump so much weight since taking Ariza on & stay as ripped as he was before. I suppose it's possible, I don't know enough about how to do it to have an informed opinion.

Doesnt neccesarily accuse pac of using, just hints that he might be

Floyd directly made the comment that he believed pac was using steroids

[JazMerkin]

I haven't been able to listen to this one, so would appreciate a link to hear it. However, it has to be said that those around Pacquiao would be very open to libel cases of their own should they attempt to follow one of this. The Mayweather Sr had a case for libel, however, the use of truth within his own statement meant that most likely he would have been acquitted, certainly in the United States.

Like I say I have yet to hear Cintron's, but I can't see why he would say it if he didn't believe it. I do find Ariza's response about 'you can't trust people who haven't graduated from high school' funny, although I do find it slightly suspicious that Pacquiao has been able to jump so much weight since taking Ariza on & stay as ripped as he was before. I suppose it's possible, I don't know enough about how to do it to have an informed opinion.

Doesnt neccesarily accuse pac of using, just hints that he might be

Floyd directly made the comment that he believed pac was using steroids

He did, but he also made it clear as a personal opinion & included enough truth in what he said for it to be difficult to confirm as a lie. It's why Pacquiao didn't take libel action because he likely would have lost.

Not to mention that it would then open up Top Rank & Freddie Roach to a string of lawsuits themselves from the likes of Mayweather, De La Hoya & Barrera. Some of those also with far more substance, particularly with Bob Arum.

[blegit]

I haven't been able to listen to this one, so would appreciate a link to hear it. However, it has to be said that those around Pacquiao would be very open to libel cases of their own should they attempt to follow one of this. The Mayweather Sr had a case for libel, however, the use of truth within his own statement meant that most likely he would have been acquitted, certainly in the United States.

Like I say I have yet to hear Cintron's, but I can't see why he would say it if he didn't believe it. I do find Ariza's response about 'you can't trust people who haven't graduated from high school' funny, although I do find it slightly suspicious that Pacquiao has been able to jump so much weight since taking Ariza on & stay as ripped as he was before. I suppose it's possible, I don't know enough about how to do it to have an informed opinion.

Doesnt neccesarily accuse pac of using, just hints that he might be

Floyd directly made the comment that he believed pac was using steroids

Floyd Sr. indicated that Pac was taking something, basically bouncing the idea around, and then he was directly asked does he think Pac is taking steroids. Floyd Sr. then said he thinks he is taking some kind of "supplement". Plus, you stated Floyd Sr. said he "believed"... That is merely opinion. Though when asked outright Floyd Sr. only said supplement.

[miron_lang]

Just an Inquiry to whoever has any idea:

Fernando Vargas and Omar Nino Romero was tested positive for illegal substances. That means fightes don't just get away with it because Fighters are tested BEFORE and AFTER each bout.


My question is. Is there a specific kind of steroids that is impossible to detect? and if there is. Does Sr and Cintron talking about this particular roid? why cant they be more specific?

additional :
Did Chamberlain roided when he scored 100? or did jordan roided againts Utah in 98 final?
Why is tiger woods winning so much did he use roids too?
How about Gary Kasparov? maybe he roided too?


Bonds got caught why not Chamberlain or Jordan? or maybe Chamberlain and Jordan didnt do it and its a stupid speculation?

[blegit]

I do not necessarily believe Pac is on steroids. But in this day and age would anyone really be surprise if he was? I honestly have never used steroids though I thought about and researched it. There are so many different forms of steroids that don't bulk you but make you faster, stronger, and/or able to lengthen your endurance. There is so much stuff that beats the system undetectables, masking agents, knowing when to cycle off, etc. I don't box anymore but I am still in the gym often and over time I have come across several amateur athletes who I know for certain have taken a steroid. And too many recreational weightlifters who take steroids. Whether you accept it , see it or not, steroids are rampant. Just look at some of the elite boxers who have either tested positive or have much evidence. Roy Jones Jr.(tested), Shane Mosley(tested), Fernando Vargas(tested), Evander Holyfield(much evidence), James Toney(tested twice). All of these guys except Vargas made very successful weight gains. So it is very easy for people to get speculative of Pac due to his success and how much steroids are really out there. Just so I don't get persecuted by the Pac fanatics, I am a healthy fan of Pac, I want to reiterate that I do not necessarily believe Pac used anything illegal. I actually hope he didn't because Pac is very good for boxing. But no athlete would surprise me if he or she took a steroid. The only thing that would surprise me is if that person tested positive because it is very easy to beat.

[mad_takamura]

I haven't been able to listen to this one, so would appreciate a link to hear it. However, it has to be said that those around Pacquiao would be very open to libel cases of their own should they attempt to follow one of this. The Mayweather Sr had a case for libel, however, the use of truth within his own statement meant that most likely he would have been acquitted, certainly in the United States.

Like I say I have yet to hear Cintron's, but I can't see why he would say it if he didn't believe it. I do find Ariza's response about 'you can't trust people who haven't graduated from high school' funny, although I do find it slightly suspicious that Pacquiao has been able to jump so much weight since taking Ariza on & stay as ripped as he was before. I suppose it's possible, I don't know enough about how to do it to have an informed opinion.

Doesnt neccesarily accuse pac of using, just hints that he might be

Floyd directly made the comment that he believed pac was using steroids

Floyd Sr. indicated that Pac was taking something, basically bouncing the idea around, and then he was directly asked does he think Pac is taking steroids. Floyd Sr. then said he thinks he is taking some kind of "supplement". Plus, you stated Floyd Sr. said he "believed"... That is merely opinion. Though when asked outright Floyd Sr. only said supplement.

malicious still..
still can't take the fact that a lot of eyebrows raised why he left pro boxing because he got shot in the knee while holding little floydie in his arms.. hahahha!!!

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Maybe Cintrons just mad because he's not in a HBO mega fight this weekend?

[OumaFan]

Said it so many times it doesn't really need repeating but for post count reasons, nothing would surprise me about steroids, nobody using would surprise me. I would chuckle if it came out tomorrow that Paulie Malignaggi has been juicing but it wouldn't shock me.

As big a fan of Hopkins as I am it amazes me there's no speculation about him using.