pac vs. pbf....thinking ahead

[ElTerribleMorales]

ummm Pacquiao's not the hardest puncher that Cotto has faced, hell he was whacked with bricks for 11 rounds, and he's dealt with blinding speed against Mosley and Judah, and well umm Pacquiao usually doesn't keep his cool in the ring, he gets whacked hard and he goes crazy, he also has had the habit of underestimating opponents in the past, Larios is the perfect example

my friend let us agree on a 50/50 fight this time.lolz

You think Cotto loses if Pac gets past 2 rounds, hardly 50/50 is it?

of course it is, cause he's implying that Pacquiao's gonna shit himself if Cotto bangs on him in the first 2 lol

[rjj tszyu]

Pac really needs to concentrate on Cotto and not even have any thoughts of Mayweather in there for this one. I think as long as he keeps his head he wins a decision, but I am not writing Cotto off.

As for Mayweather-Pac, I think Floyd is too...... everything for Pac.

[happytrip]

ummm Pacquiao's not the hardest puncher that Cotto has faced, hell he was whacked with bricks for 11 rounds, and he's dealt with blinding speed against Mosley and Judah, and well umm Pacquiao usually doesn't keep his cool in the ring, he gets whacked hard and he goes crazy, he also has had the habit of underestimating opponents in the past, Larios is the perfect example

my friend let us agree on a 50/50 fight this time.lolz

You think Cotto loses if Pac gets past 2 rounds, hardly 50/50 is it?

It is my opinion.....Cotto always lose steam in the later rounds.And if MANNY keeps on with his speed,then that is it for Cotto.

[ElTerribleMorales]

[QUOTE=happytrip;808918]

my friend let us agree on a 50/50 fight this time.lolz

You think Cotto loses if Pac gets past 2 rounds, hardly 50/50 is it?

It is my opinion.....Cotto always lose steam in the later rounds.And if MANNY keeps on with his speed,then that is it for Cotto.[/QUOTE]

he looked pretty strong in winning rounds 10,11, and 12 against Clottey, who could easily fight at jr middle...

[happytrip]

[QUOTE=ElTerribleMorales;808937]

You think Cotto loses if Pac gets past 2 rounds, hardly 50/50 is it?

It is my opinion.....Cotto always lose steam in the later rounds.And if MANNY keeps on with his speed,then that is it for Cotto.[/QUOTE]

he looked pretty strong in winning rounds 10,11, and 12 against Clottey, who could easily fight at jr middle...

IMO Cotto'S showing vs. Clottey was far from impressive,he almost lost that fight.btw Cotto won the rounds you mentioned but his punches has no more sting on it.I could see he was just hanging on in those rounds.Fortunately for him Clottey was commiting numerous mistakes cos of his losing his focus.

[Taeth]

If you look at his track record Cotto isn't one to stop opponents early, he doesn't have that kind of power, his is more of a pummeling Marcianoesque pummel you down slowly type power. If anyone gets stopped early it would be Cotto because the longer this fight goes on the better Cotto will adjust to the rhythm of Manny.

I still think Manny will win because his feet are too damn fast, but I also think that Cotto is a very live underdog, and if he can fight Manny like he could Judah and MOsley then Manny won't win.

Once cotto gets hit with a PACQUIAO combi in the first round,i am sure his head will get hot and go for the kill.

Bah Cotto is way too cool to go for the kill... even when he goes for the kill he composed.

[blegit]

If Pac gets past Cotto for some reason I don't think PBF is next. I don't think PBF is going Pac next either. No real reason, I just see it not happening next. I don't want to believe that because boxing will stop the world for one night with a PBF/Pac fight.

I have enough reason to believe that PAC VS. PBF will happen after or in case PACQUIAO wins vs. COTTO.FYI it is now being discuss in Vegas,money sharing is the only hindrance at present.Should an agreement of a 50/50 split will be put in paper,then the fight will happen.Even a 45/55 split will make the fight go.Of course PBF will get 55.

Las Vegas is anticipating a rousing victory for PACQUIAO against Cotto.And fittingly after the fans will demand for a PAC VS. PBF bout.....IMO

I doubt Pac's team will go for 45%. Pac's promoter said he wouldn't go for less than 55% so I'm thinking they want at least a 50/50 split. A lot of fights are discussed. Heck, some are even signed but never materialize. Plus, They keep talking about a rubber match with JMM and there are whispers of PBF taking on Salita if he beats Khan. I just don't see the collision course taking the proper route. I just sense it won't happen next. I just don't trust boxing like I use to and I'm getting that feeling again. Boxing needs this fight next if Pac beats Cotto.

[ElTerribleMorales]

[QUOTE=happytrip;808940]

It is my opinion.....Cotto always lose steam in the later rounds.And if MANNY keeps on with his speed,then that is it for Cotto.[/QUOTE]

he looked pretty strong in winning rounds 10,11, and 12 against Clottey, who could easily fight at jr middle...

IMO Cotto'S showing vs. Clottey was far from impressive,he almost lost that fight.btw Cotto won the rounds you mentioned but his punches has no more sting on it.I could see he was just hanging on in those rounds.Fortunately for him Clottey was commiting numerous mistakes cos of his losing his focus.

and with that you prove that you know fuck all of how to score a fight, Cotto CLEARLY won the final 3 rounds, Clottey did next to nothing and Cotto outboxed him and landed the harder shots, and you're trying to make it sound like if he was fighting some C level fighter, Clottey could easily be fighting at 154, usually weight in the 160+ range come fight night, and the guy is a beast, strong as hell, and yet Cotto took his shots fine and looked the stronger of the two when it came to pushing around and getting his man on the ropes, that same Clottey would have beaten Pacquiao around the ring due to the fact that he's too damn big and too damn strong, just cause Pacquiao beat up a shot DLH, a bum in Diaz, and then a punchy Hatton (which is the only fight i give him credit for), doesn't mean he's gonna walk through Cotto, he's still the guy who was horribly outboxed by Morales, and the guy who should have two losses against Marquez, if you really analyze the fight, Manny's only real stand out advantage is his speed, and Cotto hasn't had probs with fast fighters up to now, he'll cancel it out with his own speed (which is underrated) and his incredible timing, TKO win for Cotto by around the 5th or 6th

[Dizaster]

If we are looking ahead to a potential Pac Mayweather fight, I think regardless of what Pac does with Cotto, he would not beat Mayweather..

For me to give Pac a serious shot against Mayweather, Pac would have to have the same speed and dynamic that he has now, but as a natural 154 pound fighter who is coming down to fight Mayweather.. He's just to small and does not have enough to even come close to overwhelming Mayweather,, and that is what it would take to beat him...

But would still be an interesting fight to watch how Mayweather could show his skill against a different type of fighter in Pac.

[rjj tszyu]

If we are looking ahead to a potential Pac Mayweather fight, I think regardless of what Pac does with Cotto, he would not beat Mayweather..

For me to give Pac a serious shot against Mayweather, Pac would have to have the same speed and dynamic that he has now, but as a natural 154 pound fighter who is coming down to fight Mayweather.. He's just to small and does not have enough to even come close to overwhelming Mayweather,, and that is what it would take to beat him...

But would still be an interesting fight to watch how Mayweather could show his skill against a different type of fighter in Pac.

I've been thinking about this and I think Pac could make Floyd look spectacular. Floyd is the best counter puncher in the world and his timing is phenomenal, couple that with Pacs sometimes reckless stlye and I see Mayweather pulling him apart and stopping him mid rounds.

[happytrip]

[QUOTE=ElTerribleMorales;809052]

IMO Cotto'S showing vs. Clottey was far from impressive,he almost lost that fight.btw Cotto won the rounds you mentioned but his punches has no more sting on it.I could see he was just hanging on in those rounds.Fortunately for him Clottey was commiting numerous mistakes cos of his losing his focus.

and with that you prove that you know fuck all of how to score a fight, Cotto CLEARLY won the final 3 rounds, Clottey did next to nothing and Cotto outboxed him and landed the harder shots, and you're trying to make it sound like if he was fighting some C level fighter, Clottey could easily be fighting at 154, usually weight in the 160+ range come fight night, and the guy is a beast, strong as hell, and yet Cotto took his shots fine and looked the stronger of the two when it came to pushing around and getting his man on the ropes, that same Clottey would have beaten Pacquiao around the ring due to the fact that he's too damn big and too damn strong, just cause Pacquiao beat up a shot DLH, a bum in Diaz, and then a punchy Hatton (which is the only fight i give him credit for), doesn't mean he's gonna walk through Cotto, he's still the guy who was horribly outboxed by Morales, and the guy who should have two losses against Marquez, if you really analyze the fight, Manny's only real stand out advantage is his speed, and Cotto hasn't had probs with fast fighters up to now, he'll cancel it out with his own speed (which is underrated) and his incredible timing, TKO win for Cotto by around the 5th or 6th

I feel we just couldnt agree on this.The fight is only 4 days away,let us just wait for the results.My stand is if MANNY can withstand Cotto after two rounds;he wins.

After the fight,i will be here in this thread.....win or loss.I know you too will be here.

[ElTerribleMorales]

[QUOTE=happytrip;809115]

and with that you prove that you know fuck all of how to score a fight, Cotto CLEARLY won the final 3 rounds, Clottey did next to nothing and Cotto outboxed him and landed the harder shots, and you're trying to make it sound like if he was fighting some C level fighter, Clottey could easily be fighting at 154, usually weight in the 160+ range come fight night, and the guy is a beast, strong as hell, and yet Cotto took his shots fine and looked the stronger of the two when it came to pushing around and getting his man on the ropes, that same Clottey would have beaten Pacquiao around the ring due to the fact that he's too damn big and too damn strong, just cause Pacquiao beat up a shot DLH, a bum in Diaz, and then a punchy Hatton (which is the only fight i give him credit for), doesn't mean he's gonna walk through Cotto, he's still the guy who was horribly outboxed by Morales, and the guy who should have two losses against Marquez, if you really analyze the fight, Manny's only real stand out advantage is his speed, and Cotto hasn't had probs with fast fighters up to now, he'll cancel it out with his own speed (which is underrated) and his incredible timing, TKO win for Cotto by around the 5th or 6th

I feel we just couldnt agree on this.The fight is only 4 days away,let us just wait for the results.My stand is if MANNY can withstand Cotto after two rounds;he wins.

After the fight,i will be here in this thread.....win or loss.I know you too will be here.

damn right im gonna be here, it's gonna be party time after Manny gets beat lol, better hope he wears his lucky socks and his Clitoris (Cleto Reyes) glubs cause he's gonna need as much help as possible

[happytrip]

[QUOTE=ElTerribleMorales;809125]

I feel we just couldnt agree on this.The fight is only 4 days away,let us just wait for the results.My stand is if MANNY can withstand Cotto after two rounds;he wins.

After the fight,i will be here in this thread.....win or loss.I know you too will be here.

damn right im gonna be here, it's gonna be party time after Manny gets beat lol, better hope he wears his lucky socks and his Clitoris (Cleto Reyes) glubs cause he's gonna need as much help as possible

I will warmly congratulate you should Cotto upsets Manny.

[HattonTheHammer]

[quote=ElTerribleMorales;809125]

I feel we just couldnt agree on this.The fight is only 4 days away,let us just wait for the results.My stand is if MANNY can withstand Cotto after two rounds;he wins.

After the fight,i will be here in this thread.....win or loss.I know you too will be here.

damn right im gonna be here, it's gonna be party time after Manny gets beat lol, better hope he wears his lucky socks and his Clitoris (Cleto Reyes) glubs cause he's gonna need as much help as possible

Cotto hasnt produced a world class performance post margarito

Didnt impress against jennings and went completely off the boil in the middle rounds against clottey. Dont get me wrong to beat joshua you have to be a world class performer. But for me the cotto the pre-marg would of had clottey out of there late on and not rely on a close decision.

If its the cotto that turned up against margarito i just dont see pac being able to handle his power and accuracy. Pac will out land round after round but that wont bother miguel if the big counters are coming

[ElTerribleMorales]

[QUOTE=hattonthehammer;809128]

damn right im gonna be here, it's gonna be party time after Manny gets beat lol, better hope he wears his lucky socks and his Clitoris (Cleto Reyes) glubs cause he's gonna need as much help as possible

Cotto hasnt produced a world class performance post margarito

Didnt impress against jennings and went completely off the boil in the middle rounds against clottey. Dont get me wrong to beat joshua you have to be a world class performer. But for me the cotto the pre-marg would of had clottey out of there late on and not rely on a close decision.

If its the cotto that turned up against margarito i just dont see pac being able to handle his power and accuracy. Pac will out land round after round but that wont bother miguel if the big counters are coming

he's had 2 fights since the Margarito fight, and well Jenning's was more a track star than a fighter (and not even effectively like Dirrell and Haye to a certain point), yet Cotto still stopped him, and like i said Clottey would make it a rough night for anyone, even more so when you have a huge gash over your eye since the 3rd round, IMO if Cotto fought Clottey again and didn't end up with a nasty cut again he would beat Clottey a lot clearer and a lot more dominantly, Clottey's no push over and will give anyone fits