Dawson would beat Kessler

[Nameless]

on another forum u dumbshit.

if kessler is an "ultra effective" technician, then what do you make of guys like vernon forrest and marco antonio barrera who aren't even considered first-tier technicians?

if u think kessler is a technician, your standard for what makes a technician is atrociously low.

Wait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.

[sumkalambay]

on another forum u dumbshit.

if kessler is an "ultra effective" technician, then what do you make of guys like vernon forrest and marco antonio barrera who aren't even considered first-tier technicians?

if u think kessler is a technician, your standard for what makes a technician is atrociously low.

Wait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.

name me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.

kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.

[Taeth]

any talk of kessler's lefthook is a moot point because he has a crappy slapping lefthook.

anyway, dawson in his adamek form would win a wide decision. he's just slightly more versatile.

Kessler doesn't have a left hook? huh? Did you watch the Andrade fight?

Taeth, from the fights you've seen what other punches should we expect to see from Kessler in the Ward fight besides the one-two that he uses so well?

A Dawson v. Kessler fight is huge if Kessler wins the Super Six and Dawson beats Pascal.

The thing is he is fighting an excellent boxer at range, the one-two is the best thing to use against Ward, especially the jab. He showed an excellent uppercut against Calzaghe, he's thown a great left hook a few other times, but against Ward the one-two is his best option.

[Pugilistic]

Yes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.

good point.

Kessler is actually very overated nowadays imo.

There is no denying Kessler is good but his resume is weak.

His best win is Andrade who is a decent fighter but nothing special.

Kessler's only real test was against Calzaghe and he lost. He did make it a competitive fight for 4 rounds though.

I'm a Hopkins fan but there is no doubt in my mind that Dawson would cause Hopkins trouble with his size and speed.

Hopkins would be able frustrate Dawson with his Defense, movement, counters and rough inside tactics.

Overall i think it's a bad fight for Dawson because whether you win or lose, Hopkins makes you look bad and if Dawson was to win, he wouldn't get much credit because Bernard would likely be 45 by the time they fought.

On the Kessler - Dawson fight i think Dawson would win quite clearly.

I think his speed and athleticism is too much for Kessler to handle.

Dawson is very good at putting fast combos together and i think this would trouble Kessler. Dawson would have to watch for Kessler's right hand though.

What worries me for Kessler is, Calzaghe was able to hurt him to the body and from what i have seen from Dawson he can crack to the body especially when he is putting his combos together.

You will allways say Kessler is overated even if he won the super six tournament, it calls pure hate to Kessler, moron

I don't hate Kessler.

I respect his ability in the ring, I was simply stating that his resume isn't that good.

Kessler would get full credit from me if he wins the tourney, hell i'm picking him to win it all.

[Nameless]

on another forum u dumbshit.

if kessler is an "ultra effective" technician, then what do you make of guys like vernon forrest and marco antonio barrera who aren't even considered first-tier technicians?

if u think kessler is a technician, your standard for what makes a technician is atrociously low.

Wait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.

name me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.

kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.

YOu haven't looked at Kessler fight and it is obvious. His head movements are perfect, his jab is one of the best around, his guard is stiff and he has excellent hook and uppercut, I do not see any arguments why he isn't good, hell, most specialists even see him winning the 6 men tournament, the guy's no fluke at all, you can hate him but it is not a reason to become irrational.

[Pugilistic]

on another forum u dumbshit.

if kessler is an "ultra effective" technician, then what do you make of guys like vernon forrest and marco antonio barrera who aren't even considered first-tier technicians?

if u think kessler is a technician, your standard for what makes a technician is atrociously low.

Wait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.

name me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.

kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.

Comparing Kessler to the likes of Hopkins and Calzaghe is unfair.

What made Hopkins and Calzaghe so great was their ability to fight coming forward or on the backfoot effectively.

From what i've seen from Kessler, he is most effective boxing behind his jab and using his jab to set up his strong fast right hand or putting combos together.

Kessler is the perfect example of a conventional boxer, he is well rounded, good jab, solid defense, uses his footwork effective, dangerous hard right hand, solid left hook and uppercut, is good at putting punches together. He also has surprisingly good handspeed plus good power especially with his right hand.

Overall Kessler is a good technician.

Only GREAT technicians can fight inside and outside effectively.

[ICB]

No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

Exactly who has Mikkel Kessler beaten who's really that good ? i mean his best win is probably Anthony Mundine, and that was a tough close fight. Which was a good win but who else really ? Librado Andrade ? i agree Mikkel Kessler is a good fighter, but i feel he is a bit overrated.

We don't really know how good he is he's still a bit unproven IMO, he was beaten handily by Joe Calzaghe. And he hasn't fought any notable fighter since Joe Calzaghe, im not saying he's fought all tomato can's, but we don't really know how good he is yet.

Atleast Chad Dawson has beaten a legit top world class fighter, like Tomasz Adamek. And despite his other 3 best wins, being against older fighters. There still 3 good wins and Antonio Tarver was coming off a real good performance, and Glen Johnson had no signs of slowing down. And Eric Harding was still considered a good fighter.

And remember the last time Glen Johnson was beaten so handily, was probably against Bernard Hopkins in 1997. Everyone wanted to see Chad Dawson beat Glen Johnson more convincingly in the rematch, and he did so top marks to him.

And i know the rematch with Antonio Tarver was a waste a time, but its still two good wins over a good fighter, and remember Antonio Tarver isn't that old in terms of proffessional fighting, because he was a late starter.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.

I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.

Exactly who has Mikkel Kessler beaten who's really that good ? i mean his best win is probably Anthony Mundine, and that was a tough close fight. Which was a good win but who else really ? Librado Andrade ? i agree Mikkel Kessler is a good fighter, but i feel he is a bit overrated.

We don't really know how good he is he's still a bit unproven IMO, he was beaten handily by Joe Calzaghe. And he hasn't fought any notable fighter since Joe Calzaghe, im not saying he's fought all tomato can's, but we don't really know how good he is yet.

Atleast Chad Dawson has beaten a legit top world class fighter, like Tomasz Adamek. And despite his other 3 best wins, being against older fighters. There still 3 good wins and Antonio Tarver was coming off a real good performance, and Glen Johnson had no signs of slowing down. And Eric Harding was still considered a good fighter.

And remember the last time Glen Johnson was beaten so handily, was probably against Bernard Hopkins in 1997. Everyone wanted to see Chad Dawson beat Glen Johnson more convincingly in the rematch, and he did so top marks to him.

And i know the rematch with Antonio Tarver was a waste a time, but its still two good wins over a good fighter, and remember Antonio Tarver isn't that old in terms of proffessional fighting, because he was a late starter.

Tarver's complete garbage dude, Tarvers carreer looks like this, win lose win lose win lose win lose win lose....you get the point. I would probly put Taylor over Tarver right now, if that lets you know what I think about him.

[iwng100]

Wait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.

name me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.

kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.

YOu haven't looked at Kessler fight and it is obvious. His head movements are perfect, his jab is one of the best around, his guard is stiff and he has excellent hook and uppercut, I do not see any arguments why he isn't good, hell, most specialists even see him winning the 6 men tournament, the guy's no fluke at all, you can hate him but it is not a reason to become irrational.

I agree with all you said about Kessler and he’s one of the fighters that I like Nameless, but I rate Dawson a bit higher.
IMO BCD version that beat Adamek can beat any SM or LHW, Hopkins inclusive.

[Nameless]

name me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.

kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.

YOu haven't looked at Kessler fight and it is obvious. His head movements are perfect, his jab is one of the best around, his guard is stiff and he has excellent hook and uppercut, I do not see any arguments why he isn't good, hell, most specialists even see him winning the 6 men tournament, the guy's no fluke at all, you can hate him but it is not a reason to become irrational.

I agree with all you said about Kessler and he’s one of the fighters that I like Nameless, but I rate Dawson a bit higher.
IMO BCD version that beat Adamek can beat any SM or LHW, Hopkins inclusive.

I have no problems with somebody thinking Dawson is superior, that's all a matter of brainstorming and making hypothesis and Dawson is not a bad boxer at all so though I think Kessler would make it, I wouldn't argue vehemently against it if just voicing that I think Kessler, in my opinion, i better. But to say that Kessler is not technical is all another thing and I just can't agree with that.

[sumkalambay]

some of you aren't getting the difference between a textbook fighter and being a technician.

arguello was textbook and a technician.

someone who's as incompetent as kessler is at IN-FIGHTING can't possibly be called a technician.

i guess it depends on how u define that term.

[The Fightfan]

yep..

nope

[Pugilistic]

Who do people have winning now ?

[sumkalambay]

dawson beats the shit out of him. i can't believe people actually thought kessler would beat him.